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joe weekend. let's get to some of the conversations you may have missed. >> a lot going on . new cries for the president to step aside and the debate, you can hear it across the country. >> you can hear it across the country and you can hear it across the party. in the gospel of matthew, jesus said religious leaders, every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. lincoln, with the specter of a civil war rising over slavery quoted jesus, a house divided against itself cannot stand. lincoln said, i do not expect the union to be dissolved. i do not expect the house to fall, but i do expect it will cease to be divided. it will become all one thing or all the other. lincoln encouraged his party in 1858 to stand together once again.

two years ago we did this under the siege of impulse of resistance to a common danger with every external circ*mstance against us. lincoln's words then are all too relevant to the democratic party this morning. this morning we report to you there is a deep rupture running throughout the democratic party. a split tearing at the parties very foundation. i divide that will only serve to elect a man who has repeatedly promised to be a dictator on day one. president biden is on one side of that democratic divide. we all know. biden supporters saved american democracy in 2020 by defeating the malignant force promising to undermine the constitution itself,

execution of the joint chiefs chairman and the hanging of his own vice president. his writing that the constitution should be terminated, if that was required to overthrow election results. against that grim backdrop, mr. biden passed more bipartisan legislation than any president this century. he created more jobs than any president this century. he led america out of cobit more strongly than any country on this planet. he's overseeing the strongest dollar in half a century and the strongest economic growth in the world. america's economy is the envy of the world. period. hunter biden our military and alliances are stronger relative to the rest of the world than

any time since world war ii. this, my friends, is not a matter of debate. unless you get your news from hucksters on tiktok or on a cable news channel that is allergic to the truth. despite what donald trump says, america is great. america is strong. and america is respected across the world. joe biden's leading a nato summit this week that with biden's leadership is not the strongest alliance in the world 's history. and on the other side of this divided many of the most powerful democratic politicians, thought leaders, and donors, and they are all saying privately, and they may soon say this publicly that joe biden cannot win this election. it's now almost a universal sentiment among the hundreds of democrats who have spoken out over the last 36 hours. many of whom have called me and

voiced these very real concerns . they say democrats poll numbers are collapsing. fundraising is drying up. and any chance of saving the senate and house from trump roll over the next four years is vanishing before their eyes. two sides in this democratic divide with two compelling arguments but the window on saving american democracy is closing. joe biden has dug in. he's got the votes. he's got the delegates. it is his rightful nomination. but also dug in are those who revere the president, but cherish american democracy even more. for them, this is a zero-sum game. that is why a handful of democrats that president biden greatly respects, nancy pelosi, ted kaufman, jim clyburn, chris

dodd, john kerry, ron klain, and his family,, need to come together this weekend and talk about the consequences of this campaign and this candidacy on this country's future. democrats have to unite against the immediate threat before america's 240 year constitutional republic is no more. lincoln finish that 1858 speech telling his fellow party members, against a strange, discordant, even hostile evidence, we gathered from four windows and we fought the battle through under the constant hot fire of a disciplined, proud, and pampered enemy. did we brave all then to falter now? now, when that same enemy is wavering, deserve and

belligerent? this result is not doubtful. we shall not fail if we stand firm. we shall not fail if we stand together. because so said lincoln then, and so says a watchful and very worried nation now. >> yeah. at such a great point peer what we need more than anything at this point and what we have noticed this week and covering this, especially among the democrats come is what we don't have is unity on this. and, willie, it is taking a toll absolutely on the campaign. the poll numbers and on conversations about biden's presidency, and of course anybody who is running against donald trump wants the focus to be on donald trump. >> yeah. and that is the concern of

people of good faith on both sides of this argument. democrats who believe joe biden should get out of the race so they can do exactly what joe just described and be donald trump, and those who believe he needs to stay in the race because we need democrats, say, to defeat donald trump your good faith arguments on both sides but there is a gamble. push joe biden aside and put up a candidate does we don't know who yet -- who could lose to donald trump, as well. on the other side joe biden could stay in and lose, as well. it is by definition a gamble. morning joe weekend will be right back. n doing nursing for 24 years. i had a fear that i wouldn't be able to keep up. i wanted all the boost i could get! i heard about prevagen from a friend. i read the clinical study on it and it had good reviews. i've been taking prevagen now for five years and it's really helped me stay sharp and present. it's really worked for me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. some days, you can feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month each lasting 4 hours or more.

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you know, willie, we learned many things from the debate. we learned that joe biden, obviously, had something go terribly wrong with him that night and we still don't know what it was. and as i said before, for those carnival parkers that are screaming about the media cover up, you find the person that's all joe biden like that and

bring them on our show and we would be glad to interview him because i never saw anything that looked like that. but it was horrifying that night. i say that to also say that even the new york times poll, even after that horrific display, joe biden picked up independent voters. even after a divided and desolate democratic party, torn at the seams, well, the trump campaign is talking about a landslide now. they are planning for a landslide. we have a washington post if sosa poll coming up this morning that says two thirds of americans consider joe biden too old to be president, and yet , he is tied with donald trump.

which, of course, is an argument for both sides. joe biden can say i'm tied what donald trump the other side can say, yes, you're tied with donald trump despite the fact you cannot complete a sentence throughout an entire 90 minute debate. so let's get somebody in there who can and just think how badly we will beat him. again, that debate will go on. but one thing that can't be debated is a majority of americans despise donald trump and find the thought of him being in the white house absolutely impossible to square with their vision of what a president should be. >> that's exactly right and that's what i mean when i say these are two signs of good faith within the democratic party who want one thing. to make sure that donald trump does not return to the white house. and they have two different views about the best ways to prevent that from happening. some believe it's to stay with joe biden and others believe in the unknown and they would like to see a plan, i think, is part

of the problem. if joe biden steps aside, what is your plan? we haven't heard a definitive plan other than handing it off to vice president kamala harris, which of course makes the most sense. others say open it up and convention. but still no signs that the president is stepping aside. he sent that letter. could not have been more clear on monday to congressional democrats that i'm not going anywhere. he made many of the same points that joe was saying this morning, which is the longer this goes on and the like we fight this out in public, the more it helps donald trump. let's get together. let's fight this guy. let's beat this guy. what are you hearing on capitol hill right now? what we have heard is privately people are worried about joe biden. they are worried about his age. i think he needs to step aside but they hesitate to say publicly. nancy pelosi on the show yesterday morning, of course, with some innuendo saying he needs to make a decision soon, talking about president biden,

to which the biden campaign says he did make a decision. he sent that letter on monday and he is staying in. so where is that democratic caucus this morning? >> that letter clearly wasn't clear enough for people like former speaker nancy pelosi, who made big news, subtle news, but big news and significant reframing of the conversation on the show yesterday. and her interview really sent shockwaves through the halls of congress, especially amongst democratic aides and staffers who were already on edge. there was this feeling last week when members were at home and really frustrated and felt like there was going to be some momentum coming back into washington, d.c. to maybe have some influence and try to convince biden to potentially, at least be open to the discussion, of stepping aside. that conversation quieted early in the week. then yesterday pelosi sort of reopened the door there, and it looks like she's kind of paving

the way for a potential exit ramp, or at least providing cover for members, for these front liners and vulnerable democrats who are seeing the polling we are all talking about, and perhaps, polling that were not seen, internal polling, that is showing some really damning results for them. as one put it to me yesterday, we have no path to take back the house if biden remains at the top of the ticket and i think that's why you're now seeing the former speaker speak out the way that she did, again, to try to reframe this conversation. she is an institutionalist and someone who lives and dies by the house. at the end of the day, that is our priority. democrats need four seats to recapture the majority. there is a lot of happy talk publicly about getting behind biden and ultimately having hakeem jeffries be the speaker of the house in a democratic majority next year, but i think

the writing is on the wall for an increasing amount of the members that that's not going to happen if biden stays at the top of the ticket. one of the big problems though is exactly what you just referenced. the lack of a contingency plan i think that's why we don't see where members can forward right now. that is the back half of this conversation that is troubling a lot of members. the lack of logistical prowess. a theory about some measures around ballot concerns in states if biden were to come up the ticket and needed to be replaced. could that logistically be done, or what there have to be litigation and legal fights lately seen in ohio x and the consensus around that candidate. a lot of donors come the members are hearing from donors, that they want an open process and do not necessarily rallying behind kamala harris. >> that lack of a contingency plan is an absolute key question for democrats who are stepping out and saying that joe biden should sip out of the race. and the inability to move the conversation to the real alternative because democrats so far have not put an alternative out there so the alternative is donald trump.

and after staying out of the public eye for days to let the democratic infighting play out, donald trump returned to the campaign trail on tuesday night holding a campaign rally into row, florida. the former president rejoiced at how much the political landscape had changed since his debate against joe biden, and yet at the new york times points out, at various points in his 90 minute performance, mr. trump sounded eye watering leak rule. he gleefully asserted that mr. biden had undergone many botched facelifts and has really bad hair. >> first of all -- wait. hold on. hold on. he's talking about facelifts? and really bad hair? wait -- is this the whole john heilemann, everything he says is projection or confession? >> the facelifts thing. okay.

he went on about how revolting mr. biden looked. i want to make that clear that he said mr. biden, in a bathing suit. he said mr. biden looked revolting in a bathing suit. >> and again, confession, projection? thank god we haven't seen him in a bathing suit. >> he referred to photos of biden sitting shirtless in a beach chair. you know those chairs are meant for children and old people to left and he can't even lift them, mr. trump chair. he repeatedly called chris christie the former new jersey governor a fat pig. >> again. by a mirror. >> my goodness. and suggested that nancy pelosi might actually be deteriorating faster than mr. biden. she's not doing too well, he said poignantly. though everything was going his way, he struck familiar paranoid notes, telling his listeners who included several of his grandchildren about a sinister plot to defraud the

american public that was being woven by a shadowy establishment that hated them. and while calling for the death penalty for drug dealers come he did a histrionic late singsong impression of a mother watching her child hopelessly dying in their arms, screaming, what can i do? what can i do? help me, god. what can i do? >> mocking a mother who was holding a dying child in their arms and we hear this is the new and improved donald. i've been hearing it for the past week. this is the new and improved donald trump. he's positive. he's happy. he's not the old donald trump. he's really been liberated. and that we have donald trump calling people fat pigs. donald trump mocking others. donald trump mocking a mother holding her dying child. >> is a mentally fit?

>> it doesn't sound like the new and improved donald -- i swear it's all you hear from trump people. you know, he's changed. he's not the trumpet three years ago. and here he is. he is actually taking great joy in a mother's child dying in her arms picks payment yeah. or writing on truth social that kamala harris in a clear dog whistle should caddy for him in a golf tournament against joe biden. so this is the donald trump that his campaign does not want particularly out there in public. it's not the donald trump who showed up to that debate. that was the more disciplined donald trump. but as we have always said that doesn't last very long. coming up, the atlantic's and apple bound with her take on how populism was defeated in last week's uk election and what that could mean for the rest of the world.

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your ride. your piece is fascinating and a lesson, a critical lesson going back to what you been writing about for years and that is how to defeat populism you talk about two types of populism, actually, that labour was able to defeat. how do they do it? >> so, and this is relevant to the nato summit too, of course. what the labour party did was reform itself and led by keir starmer, who is now the prime minister , they moved it away from far left positions that it had under the previous leader, jeremy corbin, who lost a couple of elections with those pick day moved it not just to the center but to economic, local, domestic issues. schools, hospitals, what people think about when they wake up in the morning. they try to reconnect it with

ordinary voters. they talk about working people. they talk about service. you can hear it and all of their language and every labour politician and that last week, everybody interviewed use of the same kind of language. at the same time they use that language to fight the legacy of the previous tory governments who had used populism, nationalism my fear of immigrants to create a kind of hysteria about the need for britain to defend itself, remove itself from europe and institutions. and by refocusing of what people care about and by saying they want to show that labour is a reliable partner . it's a part of the world. we will trade normally with our neighbors. by doing that, they may labour a trustworthy party again and they won. and it's not an exact parallel to the u.s. at all. it's a different voting system, and so on, but that instinct

that what really matters is how we talk to people, why they should vote for us, making yourselves electable in the best possible sense, is a way to defeat both this sometimes madness on the left, as well as the really dangerous right-wing populism that we now have everywhere. >> i guess the counterpoint in the american example to what and was out lying there is the republican party is basically abandoned the traditional, conservative, neoliberal economic agenda and gone full in on the populism, and yet the polls going into the election in the uk showed labour way ahead. the polls in the u.s. show the republican party , and it standardbearer, donald trump, and joe biden, almost neck and neck. do the american voting public,

republican, traditional republican party, had they jettisoned those conservative principles of economics, as well, unlike voters in the uk? or do you think we will see something in november that suggests more of a uk model? >> when you look at polling, it's clear that the maga elite leaders, donald trump and senior advisers, bring a certain nativism to their policies and their outlook, for example on nato since we have the summit coming up. but when you look at polling broadly, including in the republican party, most americans are very transatlantic in their outlook. there was polling that just came out from the chicago council on global affairs. 80% of americans think we ought to sustain our commitment to nato or improve it. mark had a great piece in the washington post reporting on ronald reagan institute recent polling that focused on the maga population. those that support donald trump. they are actually very transatlantic in outlook. when you look forward come

whoever wins this election will be resting on an american population that is internationalist in outlook and very committed to nato. what the elite does in that context is a little bit uncertain. we will see and it will depend on what the election is. if it's biden, it will be continuity. if it's trump, even with this american outlook, we could have a rocky time in the alliance. >> you know what's so fascinating is in donald trump's first term you had him saying, obviously, hostile things about nato time and time again you always trying to apologize for vladimir putin. again, a statement of him harshly condemning blowing up children and hospitals. we will see if that happens. but you had a republican senate that maintained a very hard line against russia and against prudent. there's good reason to fear that would not be the case

the second term when you see people like marco rubio and others are saying, j.d. vance, actually, they seem to be moving further and further away from what they believe their entire lives. and the party moving further away. nativism. donald trump talking about tariffs that the wall street journal editorial page talking about the massive tax increases donald trump will exec the metaclass americans on a terrace. look at anti-immigration. were not talking illegal immigration. i think republicans, myself included, have always been against illegal immigration. but even expanding what republicans have always wanted and ronald reagan talked about, being a nation of immigrants for economic reasons and spiritual reasons regarding the spirit of this nation. it doesn't exist in donald trump's republican party. next, we talked with the author joe coniston about his new book, the longest con.

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but i've got to say, again. question. again a question here. who do we have? who do we have this hour? >> it's the top at 7:00 so we have joe conason. >> john, let me ask you . i don't have -- you know. i'm just curious. this trump book that our good friend mike huckabee has put out , the coloring book. so, do we skip over the grab him by the -- that chapter? do we skip over the chapter --'s payment to the kids color that in? >> how do they color that in. is there cut out a billy bush in donald trump? or maybe they do the bus instead of what is said inside the bus? what about the part where he says, hey, we are going to shoot the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff.

do they have mark milley up against the wall and do you color the rifles? what did the kids do for that? oh, i don't know, you know, when he talks about, you know, e. jean carroll and that situation. >> that he would never date her. >> how does that -- >> bleeding badly from the phase do you color that in?. how about that i'm going to suspend the constitution? terminate the constitution, which of course he lies about. >> this is a big children's book . >> i'm curious. how do we walk our children through all those chapters? i'm a little confused? >> joe, i would take special pains -- if you find yourself with young children again, which, who knows, anything

could happen. you two are a magical couple. >> grandpa. >> you want to avoid the chapter -- there's a chapter in there about trump's relationship with jeffrey epstein. stay away from that chapter in particular with your kids. >> so, are you saying that the orji island chapter -- >> just cross that off the list. not appropriate for children. >> so, reverend huckabee's book , were going to keep the orji island part out. >> what about the i didn't sleep with the p*rn star. >> reverend huckabee. what about the kids book. the summer he thinks he said that trump did that the kids need to remember -- talk about the executions. summary executions. okay. so.

so we keep those parts out? >> those parts out experiment how about throwing paper towels? >> albans -- a whole bunch of parts you want to leave out. in general they offer a version of that book that is the scratch instead. i would avoid that entirely. >> all my god. you are -- >> we have joe conason and his book. it's titled, "the longest con. how grifters, swindlers and frauds hijacked american conservatism" and, joe, come on? that medley right there. that montage. it's just like a softball right across the center of the plate for you. tell us about the book. >> joe and mika , great to see you. i could not have asked for a better intro than that montage, although i would say there is an endless amount of footage of the same kinds of stuff. and while i was listening to you

and john, i looked in the index of the book and found former governor huckabee, and of course he is in here, as a guy who went into business with his mailing list from his presidential campaign to market a phony cancer cure that was supposedly a spiritual chore, biblically-based fake cancer cure. and that is the kind of thing that has become rampant on the right in the last several decades. and so the book sort of tells the story of how conservative got to the point where they are milking their own constituents for every penny they can squeeze out of them on false pretenses, and almost every case. and the epitome of this of course is the former president, who books a quarter of $1 billion after the 2020 election

by telling people that he was going to set up an official election defense fund. and of course, the money did not go to that. but they pulled in hundreds of millions of dollars in two months after the election and it ended up in a super pac that he controls and that he can spend on anything, including, of course, his legal defense. not election defense but his legal defense. his personal legal defense. but this is a -- i don't know -- a syndrome, a problem on the right that lots of conservatives have discussed. the forward to the book is by my friend, george conway, who i think you guys know, who is an honest conservative. and like many honest conservatives, is appalled by the dishonesty, the grafting and the scamming that is just rampant in their movement now. >> joe, i want to say, first of

all, congratulations on the book. it identifies grifters, swindlers and frauds. the subtitle of the book. the book is called the longest con. how grifters, swindlers and frauds hijacked american conservatism. it's clear that they have and you .2 trump as the apotheosis of the platonic ideal of grifter, swindler and fraud all rolled into one. and here's the thing. how? that's what this book promises, is an explanation of not just a description that this has happened but how it's happened. this is more of a phd dissertation than a cable-tv question in the morning, but what is the brief summary for how? how did that happen? >> it happened, john, it began, i would say, in its heaviest form with the goldwater campaign. after the goldwater campaign in 1964 when a man figured out that suddenly goldwater had

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wealth and success has been cut off for many americans. >> capitalism has become an insiders club. giant, multinational corporations and both parties are killing the american dream. >> this was supposed to be the land of opportunity. >> the middle class is shrinking and ekin -- weakening economically. >> where's the dignity and realizing your a payment away from being evicted? >> a look at the new documentary , america's burning. the film examines the connection between the united states economy and the future of democracy are doing a system of capitalism run amok is partly to blame for our widening political divisions for joining us now is the executive producer and narrator, as you heard in the documentary, academy award- winning actor, michael douglas and the director and writer of the project. good morning to you both. good to have you here. it's lost on no one that the man who won an academy award for saying greed is good is narrating this critique of capitalism so what brought you to this project? >> i guess a number of years of

watching how politically things were getting more and more devices, more vitriolic and it's long before these presence persons are running for office. and david was kind enough to introduce me to his project that he was writing and i thought this is an interesting point. overly crucial about how economics is playing such an important role and is not talked about enough and i was happy to do it. proud to do it. >> david, where you traced the beginnings of things beginning to run amok which is to state the game being rigged in many ways for the wealthy, rigged in many ways for those who have and not lifting up everyone with it? >> part of this is personal. i grew up in baltimore. blue-collar. blue-collar neighborhood. my next-door neighbor drove a

cement truck and my best friend's father was a plumber and he is a plumber. so i've lived in two worlds. i grew up in that world and yet i set up a company as a financial adviser to some of the best traders in the world. george soros was my first client so i'm living in these two worlds and it dawned on me that we've had this extraordinary period of wealth creation, 40 years, which is the envy of the world. and yet, only half the country has been able to participate. the half that owns stocks because the wealth is been distributed via the equity markets. and so if you are a wage earner, you have barely kept up and i will give you two figures and then stop. we were just talking about if you look at the stock market, the dow, from 1980 to the present, 3800% increase. we should be proud. the rest of the world is envious. they wish they had that. the only problem is if you look at wages, real wages, you're talking about a total of 16%.

so i can't get that out of my mind. we are giving all these explanations for why we are divided at the country and very few people talk about economics and the difference with me is i don't think there is an alternative to capitalism. this is not bernie sanders who went in that direction. we have to fix capitalism. and we have to invite half of the country to have a ticket to the party. >> listening to david and his roots, i come from a long line of plumbers -- but we somehow seem to run away from the class distinctions in this country created by the wealth gap. i mean, there is a specific group of people and families in america who carry the load in iraq and afghanistan fighting for america. there is a specific group of people in this country who get

absolutely crushed in 2008 by the collapse of the economy and are still on their knees trying to get back up on their feet. do we know, do you think, do we know who we are as a country, as people? >> well, we know how important the middle classes. i did a series a while ago playing ben franklin and discovered really that ben franklin was sort of the founder of the middle-class in this world. and we have lost it. it's decreasing. and it's not rising up. it's going down. the middle-class used to be something you were proud about. you could afford your kids going to school. you had a living. you take a holiday and vacation and other middle class is struggling paycheck to paycheck pick so i think that's the issue that dave is speaking about. and we just have to increase those hourly wages to a degree. and you keep looking at these -- i mean, i remember in my

lifetime the first time somebody was a billionaire now you have a contingent of groups that have over $100 billion. these are numbers that are just staggering. and i think we should really have to address it because it's getting out of whack? >> this is an optimistic film. people should understand that. let's watch a clip where you the people who still believe in the stream about america's future. >> look. and this is the pollyanna in me. people are fundamentally good. people hurt for each other. america is a good example. is no country on this earth more philanthropic than america. >> they believe in the american people. we all have our politics. we all have our heath and our fears, but deep down there is a love of country that, i think, prevails. >> every time i hear that the american dream is fading, i

look at the latino community. we are making progress. maybe not as fast as they want, maybe not as good as we want but we are making progress? >> so you say david we can do it again? >> larry summers is in the film and he makes a very persuasive argument that we have a history of resilience. i mean, we botched civil rights and we came back. we have a history of resilience in so many areas and we can do it again. but what bothers me right now is we are so fixated on the current situation. so we have these two candidates , but we have these issues. let's call them xy and z. on january 20, one of these guys is going to win, and were still going to have xy and z. we are not digging deep. were not looking at the root causes of how we got into this mess and why we hate each other so much. so this film is an attempt to either dig deep or a 30,000 foot

observation. but that's, kind of, the reason for this. to get us to think long term about what kind of america we want. don't go anywhere. we have a second hour of morning joe weekend for you right after this break. what causes a curve down there?

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treatment let's jump again with another one of this week's conversations we thought you should not miss. let's start with president biden's crust press conference on the final day of the nato summit in washington. the president took questions from reporters for nearly an hour. he did have gaps at the beginning, but fiercely defended his accomplishments and made clearly he has no plans to leave the presidential race. >> 2020, you refer to yourself as being a bridge candidate or a younger, fresher generation of democratic leaders. and i wanted to know, what changed? >> what changed was the gravity of the situation i inherited. in terms of the economy, our foreign policy, and domestic division. what i realized was, my long time in the senate had equipped me to have the wisdom on how to deal with congress to get things done. we got more to legislation passed and i want to finish it,

to get it finished. >> how the next two weeks go, will that affect your decision, or are you fully determined on running in november at the party's nominee? >> i am determined on running, but i think it is important that i alleviate fears by letting them see me out there. i am going to be going around making the case for the things i think we have to finish, and how we can't afford to lose what we have done, or backslide on civil rights, civil liberties, women's rights, and that little button we have. control guns, not girls. the idea that we are seeing around this-- we are sitting around, more children are killed by a bullet then any other cause of death. the united states of america! what the hell are we doing?

what are we doing? we have got a candidate thing, i promise, don't worry, i'm not going to do anything, i'm not going to do anything. we've got a supreme court, what you might call the most conservative court in american history. this is ridiculous. >> you've had discussions the past few days with your press secretary about the question of healthy stands, and you said, you would take a cognitive test every day in this job. are you over to take another test or physical test in this election? governor whitaker said, it would not hurt to take a test. >> two things, one, i have taken three significant and intense neurological exams by a neurologist. in each case, they say i am in good shape. okay? if the neurologist tells me, he thinks i need another exam, by

the way, i have laid every bit of the record out. i have not hidden a thing. ask trump for his. okay. i have laid it all out. every single day, i am surrounded by good docs. if they think there is a problem, i promise you, even if they don't it is a problem, they think i should have a neurological exam again i will do it. >> your vice president kamala harris would be ready to serve on day one, can you elaborate on that? what is it about her attributes and accomplishments the last four years that make her ready to serve on day one, if necessary? >> first of all, the way she has handled the issue of freedom, women's bodies, secondly, her ability to handle almost every issue on the board. this was a hell of a prosecutor. in the senate she was really good.

i would not have picked her up if i thought she was qualified to be president. from the very beginning, i made no bones about that. she was qualified to be president, that is why i picked her.>> the news conference lasted about 59 minutes last night at the end of the nato summit in washington. john, let's start this hour with you. obviously, that performance was light years better than debate performance two years ago, a very low bar to clear for the president and probably not a good sign with the bulk of the question is whether or not you should take a cognitive test or whether the or the job, or whether he thinks his vice president could perhaps step in for him at some time. we saw democratic, a couple of them after the news conference, congressman jim hines of connecticut among them saying, he has great respect for joe biden and everything he has done, but he believes he cannot beat donald trump. there are some reports we may hear more of that over the past couple of days from democrats. what is your assessment,

talking to sources of how the party is feeling after last night's press conference? >> i think if you think about the two big media appearances he has done since the debate, the stephanopoulos interview and this press conference, i would say, they both had a similar quality in one sense. this was a more impressive performance, for sure in his ability to-- because there was a lot-- amidst all of the questions, there were these policy questions and very smart to put him on the nato stage. he is obviously very comfortable there. when he gets foreign policy questions, he is nimble and a carry on a conversation at a depth that no one at this table could, and certainly donald trump can't. rtainly donald i don't think if you were taking the temperature-- and you mentioned jim hines. a very good example. the temperature, the resistance to joe biden stay on the ticket or people that would like him to leave the tickets is now

based on the following effects, the subsequent effects, the consequences of what would happen in the debate, which is the numbers. what you saw yesterday, prior to this press conference was that in the house of representatives and the senate, the more data comes across, the more people there are convinced, not only that he has a very narrow path, if any path at all to win, and that they will go down with him. the depth of the conviction on that front among members of the credit senate caucus is almost total in house, not quite as close to unanimous, but very high. i don't think the press conference is going to change that, whether that will eventually lead to many more people, the more people, which people to come out publicly, or in some cases privately, whether it will lead to what they will do the past couple of days. you heard jim hines come on and say, i thought he did fine at the press conference. i am coming out to tell him he

should leave the ticket that has nothing to do with this press conference. he was saying x recently, i have reached a brutal conclusion that biden will lose and take the house of representatives with him. i don't think that is a concern that should be dismissed as the biting campaign and others have as being a concerned and a leech of people trying to hold onto their jobs. these are elected for representatives hearing from their constituents and seeing things in the polls. whether they will, at 17 now, 17 out of 435 members of congress and a smaller number of democrats, that is still not a groundswell in the public space. the western comes down to people like nancy pelosi, that has always been my view. i don't think the press conference will have resolved anything. not that enough to drop him off the ticket, not good enough to alleviate the fears, certainly not enough to turn the numbers around. >> there's nothing you can do to alleviate the fears.

we've seen with various events, most notably the debate, of course. susan, your new peace online this morning for new yorkers titled quote, joe biden's less than awful press conference does not mean everything is okay. a little tongue-in-cheek with the headline, but it makes the point everyone made, less than awful should not be the standard for the man holding the most powerful job on the face of the earth. what are you hearing about the way forward here after last night's press conference? >> that is right. you started with the observation that the bar has been set so low. i think in many ways, this press conference is a preview of what the campaign looks like from here on in for democrats as long as joe biden remains at the top of their ticket, which is to say, every public appearance is going to be accompanied by sort of holding your breath, wondering how he is going to do, are we just one gaffe away from a whole new

round of recriminations and ears around biden's viability? because, i think to jon's point, this is not about any individual appearance anymore. it is about the numbers, it is about the views of the increasing number of serious democrats, people who should be taken seriously who believe biden is not in a position to win. remember, that the debate was called for by the biting campaign itself because they were not identifiably winning against donald trump. they wanted to change the dynamic. well, they changed the dynamic in that they are having a conversation in the middle of the summer of an election year about screwing up their own nervous democrats. they are speaking ill to democratic debates, rather than being able to look to, how do i assemble a winning coalition in 2020 for-- how do i persuade not just core democrats, but independence, and even some

republicans, and the people that elected biden in 2020. they are the ones that aren't convinced. biden is not even speaking to them right now. i think that is the cost and the consequence of this ongoing , internal fights among the democrats. we have lots more to get to this hour, "morning joe weekend" continues after a short break . ort break . on. where there is one, others aren't far behind. always scavenging for food, the co*ckroach... well that's horrifying. ortho home defense max indoor insect barrier. one application kills and prevents bugs for 365 days. not in my house you don't. nature is wild. your home doesn't have to be. ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight nature is wild. and keeping it off? same. discover the power of wegovy®. ♪ ♪ with wegovy®, i lost 35 pounds. and some lost over 46 pounds.

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president biden gave no indication during a press conference he is even considering dropping out of the 2024 race, despite growing calls from some democratic lawmakers and donors for him to step aside. nbc news chief white house correspondent has the latest. >> reporter: this morning, reaction pouring in from doubters and offenders following that hour-long news conference in which he insisted he could do the job another four years. >> i am not in this for my

legacy, i am in this to complete the job i started. >> while also saying, other democrats could win the election. >> there are other people that could beat from too me but it is all to start from scratch. >> reporter: the president pressed on what he would get out of the race the piston told him, harris was more likely to beat donald trump. >> nautilus they came back and said, there's no way you can win. me. no one is saying that. no poll says that. >> reporter: president biden complementary about his vice presidents. >> this was a hell of a prosecutor. she was a first rate person. >> reporter: with ages mcgrath republicans watching with its currency of the president's abilities. drawing attention when he misspoke. >> look, i would not have picked vice president from to be president if i did not think she was qualified, let's start there. >> his former ally apparently seething as a mistake.

>> right now, president trump is using that to mock your age and memory, how do you combat that criticism from tonight? >> listen to him. >> reporter: it came out very similar misstep earlier in the day while introducing ukrainian president zelenskyy, but that time, he caught it. >> ladies and gentlemen, president putin. going to beat president putin! resident zelinski.>> reporter: president biden was asked again whether he would take another neurological exam, not really get out in the future. >> i am not opposed, my doctors told me i should have another neurological exam, i will do it. >> aiming to combat the age issue, responded to previous reports he said, he needed to go to bed earlier. >> it would be smarter for me to press myself earlier. instead of starting a fundraiser at 9:00, start it at 8:00. where is trump/pence? riding around in his golf cart, filling out his scorecard before he hits the ball.

>> reporter: the president touted his accomplishments at home as well. >> can you name me somebody that has got more piece of legislation passed that 3 1/2 years? >> makes, three more calling for the president to step aside. >> what americans feel in their bones right now suggest not only that joe biden would lose this race, but that he or we would lose the senate and the house. >> reporter: other democrats satisfied. >> i think he convinced a lot of people he should stay in the race. >> reporter: plans to quiet his critics? >> i am determined to run. i think it is important i alleviate fears and let them see me out there. >> nbc's peter alexander reporting on the president's day in washington yesterday. joining me now, chief of staff for president biden, ron maclean. good to have you with us. i am reading your message this morning you posted you right quote, it is time to end the

freak out and unite behind the democratic nominee and the only person who has ever beaten trump . what did you see in that press conference? what are you seeing in polls? you are talking about polling in this tweet. the npr poll we showed earlier shows biden two points to trump , and the washington post poll showed them tied. that is a national poll. what you see in these numbers that make you think, joe biden should stay in the race? >> i think you should the race because he's the nominee of the democratic process. voters across the country voted in the primary and voted to renominate joe biden as the leader of the democratic ticket . i think this is like a soccer game where a group of people on the sidelines get to run players off the field at the last minute. the donors do not get to decide. the voters decided. since then, we've had grassroots across the country pouring millions of dollars into the campaign and the

president has brought support across the country. i think he is the right person to take on donald trump. he's the only person to have beaten donald trump. i think there's a reason for that. he's for the working people, his working-class roots. i think he will continue to bring those assets to the race and beat from this fall. >> as we said earlier and have been saying all along the path couple of weeks, ron, there are people of good faith in the democratic party that really like him, despite joe biden, who are concerned about his age. and that is a recent criticism they are worried about not just him winning, but his ability to serve the next four years at his age. what you say to those people who are not abandoning joe biden at this point, but who are deeply concerned about what they saw at the debates and what they may see the next four years? what do you tell them? >> i tell them, look at the press conference the other day. you saw his command around the world. how the president is working to prevent china from supplying russia. look at his performance

as president. he has brought nato together, larger than ever before, more war with russia than ever before. to contain and keep it from spreading in europe. in the middle east, repel moran's attack on israel. i think it is functioning of the job, but the explanations of policy issues he gave last night shows he is up to the job and capable of governing, and has unique skills. you can hear with the nato leaders said coming out of the summit yesterday, it is a mistake to underestimate joe biden. resident macron also saying that president biden is doing a great job leading the united states. i think the american people could see it last night at that press conference, as he went through policy issues, domestic issues and international issues to explain his plans, his agendas, and what he will do in the future. >> that npr poll, largely positive for president biden,

does also contain this crosstab that 36% of those surveyed think that president biden has the mental fitness to serve, while 50% donald trump does certainly, the republicans and donald trump himself have been hammering on this issue for years. high how does the biden campaign, that something so baked in now? >> i think, again, it is hard to reconcile that with the fact that most voters of that poll out joe biden should be reelected president. i think his fitness to serve is proved by him serving and serving with excellence and distinction, and continuing to lead the world, combating russian aggression in ukraine, bringing down prices here at home, doing more to grow the economy, create jobs. i think the proof he can be president is that he is president. i think that is the fundamental metric. >> "the atlantic's" tim joined us with his piece titled "trump is planning for a landslide

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a new piece in the atlantic takes readers behind the scenes of donald trump's reelection campaign. staff writer spoke with campaign managers and disparate -- different points during the last two months. it details discussions in a new piece titled quote, trump is planning to a landslide win. tim joins us now. good to see you. you, as usual, did a deep dive here, spent about six months on talking to people running the campaign. you are nothing, they are preparing for a landslide win, why are you saying that? >> good morning, willie. thanks for having me. what is really interesting is that from the opening moments of my opening conversations with chris lawson vida and susie

wilds, it became really clear that their confidence about this race was rooted in joe biden, not in donald trump. in other words, they had begun to conceptualize a campaign here that was really built around running a very specific race against a very specific opponent in joe biden. what they have done over these past six months or so, is really try to optimize the campaign against joe biden. everything they have done in terms of messaging, everything they have done in terms of all of their targeting of voters, the internet means they are creating, everything they are doing as a campaign has really been built around not eating a generic immigrant, but beating biden and attacking his very particular vulnerabilities. so, when you suddenly in these last couple of weeks have a realization inside the trump

campaign that biden could be getting out, whether it is, harris, or anybody else facing him at the top of the ticket, sent a chill through the trump campaign, because they recognize that their own candidate is deeply flawed and deeply unpopular, but they felt as though they had boxed biden in and were in a position where they were getting ready to run the table across the battleground states and win a very, very solid, and maybe even sort of resounding victory in the electoral college, because they did not think that joe biden would be able to recover from the position he was in. >> you know, we have seen in recent days, former president trump attacking vice president harris, saying, if there was a change she would be at the top of the ticket. he projected confidence about a race against her, but are they actually have confidence as they sound about the potential for running against kamala harris? >> you know, i am not sure that

they are, willie. they told me, trump's campaign manager said, look, any democrat who replaces biden at the top of the ticket is going to inherit his baggage . we are going to attack all the same weaknesses. that person is going to have all the same vulnerabilities. but again, i would stress, so much of what they built this campaign around is basically a machine to contrast the visuals of sort of trump's you know virility, and machismo, and he can do press conferences, or he can do rallies for an hour and a half me versus biden and his debate performance. all of these sort of viral they are created, all of the mailers memes they are doing, the television spots that they have already begun to conceptualize, they are all going to be focused on biden's age and his capacities. they can't do that with, harris. it is a very different situation

. and they also recognize that some of the targeting of voters that they have been planning would have to necessarily change if, harris were at the top of the democratic ticket. there is just fundamentally sort of a strategic and tactical reset if biden is not there opponent. >> tim, this is a smart and deeply reported he's. i am just shocked frankly, that you got the access. part of the superpower of these two campaign managers, susie wallace and chris lawson vida, is that they don't talk to the press on the record and they haven't been out there publicly as the face of the campaign. how and why did they give you so much access? >> well, at the risk of giving away any of my secrets, i think i would just say that, you know , once these folks realize that you are going to be able to get to everyone else and talk to everyone else, and find out wrinkly the things they don't want you to find out, then they

start to realize, it is probably in their best interest to cooperate and participate, and try to at least control some piece of the narrative, to the extent they are able. i have spent quite a bit of time already sort of tunneling into trump world, and knew a lot of the other people involved, and had a pretty good sense of what was going on. when i came to them and said, listen, i think it is probably in your best interest to have these conversations with me your cells on the level, they ultimately agreed. >> in this piece for the atlantic an incredible piece of reporting, you write in part, they would be talking about chris and susie, they would be remembered for running a campaign that altered the nation's political dna. you also wrote that you were struck by their arrogance. talk about that. >> yeah, look, we have come off consecutive presidential elections. in 2016, donald

trump wins the presidency by a combined 77,744 votes in three states, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. four years later, joe biden with the presidency by a combined 4908 boats across three states. and we, i think, were just expecting all of us that this would be yet another cliffhanger here in 2024. the trump people from day one have operated under a very different theory. chris lawson vida and susie wilds looked at these last two campaigns and realized that they were in many ways clown shows. they were not well managed, they were not well budgeted, there was not sort of a unified theory of how to attack his opponent. these are two very smart and shrewd local operators. we, they are both cutthroat political operators. these are people that know how to win

elections. what they saw from day one was an opportunity to paint joe biden in such a devastating, debilitating light that they would not just be sleeping by in the electoral college me but that they would be winning comfortably in the electoral college and even winning the popular vote, something republicans have only done once in the last eight tries. what was interesting to see, you guys, was that over the last couple of months, as they saw their plan beginning to really sort of take form in the polls were shifting, and it was clear what they were doing was working, they went from sort of feeling confident about their ability to win big. they suddenly got pretty co*cky about it and started talking openly, using words like landslide and blowout in some of our conversations. >> those are words operatives usually do not use in public. willie, we should also note that maybe this time will be different. in the past, donald trump has not at reacted well

when his aides subtly get the spotlight, when they get the attention. not just the van and first outshining him, jerry looks, when he started getting a lot of media attention. we will have to see if there is any blowback here for chris lacivita and susie wiles. you are watching "morning joe weekend." we will be right back. bac. here's to getting better with age. here's to beating these two every thursday. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost.

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you were attacked. people tried to kidnap you. i will read from it. it is just incredible. it is important to remember that this actually happened. a crowd of people armed with a semi automatic weapon showed up at our home. our security detail was there too, but they tend to stay out of sight. when we first started hearing yelling, transiting, and music blaring outside, my husband and i just looked at each other and we were like what the hell. we peeked out the window and saw a couple of dozen people at the gate and quickly closed the blinds again. we wanted to see what was happening, but did not want to be seen. the only weather we could do that with a guest bathroom in front of the house. mark, the girls and i crowded into the bathroom with our dog. we peered out of the window. we could see people with ar 15's, american flags and m.a.g.a. signs and there was a huge trump float that had been

appearing at rallies all over michigan. can you talk about that time in your life, not just for yourself, but for your family? >> you know, i think we all saw what happened january 6 with our own two eyes. we saw it happen a lot earlier in michigan. there was a gridlock demonstration. there is a picture in the book i took from my office of someone saying, half with, which is one of the slides president trump sent my way, is the reason we need the second amendment. that picture, i took with my own camera. they were outside of our house and my girls came out, trying to figure out what on earth was going on, because we were all staying home to stay safe in the middle of to, yet, all of these threats continued. each time that the former president came into or even mentioned the state of michigan, we would see a measurable increase of threats i was receiving. it is important to share these dories , because every one of us has dealt with a bully at one point

or another. every one of us makes a decision of how we show up, how we engage. in the book i share at some point i would like to sit down with some of the men who were a part of the plot to kidnap and kill me. i want to understand. people think that is strange, why would you want to do that? i feel like the only way we can understand one another is if we are talking to each other. it is a part of my governing philosophy, a part of how i have operated as a legislator and not a governor. we have got to always seek to find common ground. it is really hard in these times, especially with the violent rhetoric that has become more normal. people of goodwill on all sides of the aisle have got to recognize that hopefully lead us back to that moment. that is what i think i am trying to accomplish in this book. >> so, just to close, i'm curious if you can finish this sentence for me. a second trump turn with me what? >> we failed as a country. a second trump turn would mean

that. we have seen rights of the serrated, institutions that have sustained this democracy undermined. we will see abuse of power like we have never seen before, especially with the new different court ruling. i think about my daughter's way i know you think about yours. this is a high-stakes moment, and their generation is important to this moment, but is also counting on us all in this moment. >> governor, we have had this in conversation with your democratic colleague josh shapiro in pennsylvania, which is governing a state that is a swing state. you won your first time running for governor by six points, left almost 11 points, very comfortably. what lessons have you learned about governing a state with such diverse points of view and views of the world, and winning the way you have won ? what lessons can you pass on to the biden campaign, for example, about what you need to do in a state like michigan?

>> michigan is the most diverse in all of the swing states. a great part of our legacy. apel came from all of the world for a job in the auto industry. it is a wonderful thing. it also means that you've got to be showing up, talking to people and listening. one of the things i do regularly is, i engage with people all across the state. when i ran for office, i got all 83 counties. during the reproductive freedom fight we sat and had roundtables across the state. i even fixed the road ahead toward with farmers in midland, a more conservative part of the state. you got to listen and focus on what we can do to help people. i think listening is a superpower i talk about, but also president biden has. he cares about people. he's a human being that has dedicated his life to serving others. i think that is the most important thing. it is easy to get the voices, people, staff in your head and lose sight of that, but at the end of the day, that is what it is all about. i think that is a great

straight he has. it is genuine with him. >> donnelly, governor, how are you grappling with the fact that michigan is the champion, you are a michigan state champion? >> i am a mother of two wolverines, i have paid enough into the university to claim a little of it. so there you go. >> there you go. looking really good, bright future there. >> i know, everything is getting better. detroit, first population growth in seven years, a lot of great stuff going on in the state of michigan. >> the new book is "true gritch, what i've learned about leadership and everything as the governor of michigan." thank you. our conversation with actor, best selling author, and rock and roll hall of hamer, stevie can zandt, was calling out the fbi for what he sees as a gross miscarriage of justice. he will explain that, ahead. ah. r ?

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you have got great respect for the fbi for cops that you have met through the years by people who are protecting us. so, that is why when you write something like this and take a stand like this, it really does grab attention. talk about this case and how you got involved in it. >> well, i have been involved now-- i did the research back in the 80s and i wrote a song, a video about it around 1989. i am like six presidents in on this thing. joe, it is the most outrageous miscarriage of justice. short of an innocent person being executed me this is the most outrageous case i have ever heard of. like you said, fifth years for next year in jail without one shred of evidence keeping him there. the evidence was falsified. the witnesses were coerced. the ballistics tests show that

his rifle did not fire the weapon that was not allowed into the case. i don't get it. the hoover fbi back then was a very, very different f vi. i think they did a wonderful job and mayor garland can take credit also on turning the fbi around to one of the most respected organizations in the world right now so we can all be very proud of. that was not the case back then. nobody talks about the context of this case. people act like two policemen showed up at the door in uniform, opened the door and somebody shot them. that is not the context to me. this started with wounded knee in 73 and the tribal chairman hired a bunch of mercenaries and vigilantes to basically go after the american indian movement and the traditional indians, who were basically just fighting for their rights, like usual, and 60 indians were

killed. i mean, it was a war going on, including my friend john's whose house was burned down with his wife and three kids in it. so, incomes the fbi, and what do they do? they go on their own side. they start defending the vigilantes and the mercenaries. and that is because the hoover f vi was seeing a threat to democracy around every tree trunk and going after every progressive organization, from the american indian movement, to the black lords, you name it, cesar chavez, the women's liberation they were going after. you know. and what confuses me is, why christopher wray, who has turned the fbi around so beautifully, why he would feel he had to defend the hoover fbi from those days, i don't get

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ukrainians. many experts noted, this unconventional military technology also benefited ukraine in its fight against russia. that is one of the topics in the new book, quote, unit x, how the pentagon and silicon valley are transforming the future of war. joining us now department of defense officials. at the pentagon, they helped cofound the defense innovation unit, or unit x, which is foster collaboration between silicon valley and the united states government. gentlemen, good morning. it is great to have you both with us. let's start at the beginning about how this idea came to be. it was during the obama administration in 2015, under defense secretary ash carter. what was the initial idea? was it that the pentagon couldn't, or was not keeping up with the fast pace of technology happening out with, and decided, it might be mutually beneficial? >> thanks, willie. secretary carter was a real visionary. he

had seen that technology that were being pioneered to the commercial world, artificial intelligence, small drones, cybersecurity, were going to play a decisive role in determining winning war. he created this unit defense, innovation unit experimental to try and bring back the valley of the pentagon's relationships together, really seeing that there were almost two types of ways that we built technology and embodied it. the commercial way and the military way. i personally got a glimpse of that in my first tour of combat in 2006, when i was flying him f-16 and had immense capability, but i did not have a moving map. i cannot tell you which side of the border i was on in iraq or iran, but i could take $100 piece of commercial software and figure out. he was bringing that together. >> which is amazing to figure out now we have maps in our car, and you could not figure

out which country you are in at any given moment until this came along. chris, with silicon valley sort of a broad catchall, who are we talking about here? who did the pentagon actually go to at the inception of this program and say, we would like to share technology? >> there's a whole world of startups that have grown up in investments and emergent technology and are producing everything from drones to autonomous c vehicles to supersonic drones that the air force is about to buy 10,000 copies of. there's a whole range of technology coming out of silicon valley, even spy satellites that are proven very decisive in conflicts like ukraine and elsewhere around the world. >> so, what are some-- i mean, you may not be able to disclose the companies you work with, but what kind of companies? chipmakers, who did the pentagon really want to work with? >> companies like adderall, capello space, joby aviation, which makes a flying car. many of the technologies the company produced are actually today on the battlefield in

ukraine. if you look at ukraine, which really is the first drone that were received, there are incredible dramatic developments happening that tell us everything in war is changing. one of them just happened last month. last month, the ukrainians had to pull back from the front lines, all 31 of the m1 a1 a battle think the u.s. provided ukrainian military. this is the most advanced take in the world and u.s. arsenal and the arsenal were adversaries. a quarter of them were destroyed by russian kamikaze drones. that tells people like raj at me, that a centralized mechanized worker had began in the first war were coming to a close, this very dramatic shift. we are back here tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern. until then, have a great day. good morning. it is saturday, july 13th. i am alysia menendez with simone sanders townsend and michael steele.

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