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Hello everyone, and welcome back to Powerful Nothing and Magic The Gathering podcast. I'm your host, Dan, better known on the internet as Too Sweet MTG. Today we're not talking about cube. Today we're talking about our recent trip to Magiccon Amsterdam. As always, I'm joined by my co-host, James. How's it going, dude? Yo, it's going pretty good. I have partially recovered from Amsterdam and, feeling like human being again.
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Yeah. Me too, but just, going back to work. Oh, dreadful. I want more holidays. More nice sunny days in Europe. But today we are joined by a very special guest. Coming all the way from upstairs. Is one half the Legacy Gambit. We're joined by the wonderful Tom Hardy wifey. How's it going? How are you doing? Hello, boys.
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I'm here. I told you about Magic the Gathering. it's. I've. I've had a lot of magic this week. I saw a lot of magic this weekend. I'm excited about the column because it was a lot of fantasy. Yeah, 100%. Because today we're gonna be talking about our recent trip to Magical and Amsterdam, and we've asked, so hard to join us just to give us a more rounded view of the con, because we all effectively had very different experiences.
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Unknown
So I was on site for the full three days. I think you did literally everything you could do at the con. I did two days and James, just did the Sunday. So why don't we do this chronologically? But we're going to try and cover everything that we can before we get into our experiences. We have a bit of news.
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a lot of this does tie into magic on Amsterdam. Yeah. For sure. So before we get on to the more cheerful news of the fate of. There was some really sad news, actually, that came out of this weekend, but, we felt like it was important to mention. So, before the top eight was announced on Saturday, William Jensen gave an announcement that high.
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But, all time magic, right. Of course, has been battling with cancer for the last two years. And unfortunately for us, recently taken a turn for the worse. in tribute and in his honor, the play of the year has been renamed, Kai Buda Player of the year for 2024. So very nice. Such, Kai office folk himself.
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said for some, but at least able to once keep playing magic keep coming some tournaments. listen, you don't need me to tell you about what a great player Kai Buda is. incredible career within magic. I think. Five individual photo titles, two team photo titles, significantly more than any other player in the history of game seven.
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From three titles, and also just had a very long career. And that is very. You don't hear anyone with a bad word to say about him, which I think very speaks for for many as as well as as well as being a great magic player, I is one of the go, funny, anecdote is that because Kai doesn't lose on Sundays, Kai won the Q on Sunday and to me that is most.
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That is like the touching tribute. I had a lot of players, who I knew personally be very, very, emotional about that process. friend of the podcast, Buttercup. Ronan, basically said many times that Kai is the reason why Andreas doesn't work as hard as he does. And I think it's testament that, like, this is a good honor.
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So 100%. But it was definitely sad to hear. But I keep I keep hope that he will just keep playing magic until he's able to, but yeah, she's just a good one. Yeah. For sure. I think, people like, I mean, I saw playing magic of shows guys. So, so after Kai's absolute peak where he's winning everything but he was but even the still like, just such a legend of the game, I don't think you could be around magic very much and not hear the name Kai Budo a lot.
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and it was interesting actually, because one thing I noticed this weekend, and it now makes more sense, is I saw, like, John Finkle and, Tibby, Benson kind of feel like the OG, like, pros about. And now that makes sense. Why? Because they want to spend time with Kai. but yeah, I, a lot of friends are very, very upset, of course, but I think, a lot of players also now just want to celebrate him and like, make sure that he just gets into doing what he does.
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And, you know, I feel like he's pretty private in terms of himself. So this being like a very fitting honor is 100% the way to go. So shout out to Wizard for doing that. but watching Hughie's announcement, understandably very upset, like getting quite emotional, kind of really hit home of, like, oh, this is actually happening now because actually sold it actually sold a video.
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And I was like, oh, that's actually really upsetting. I'm seeing friends who are undoubtably very, very emotional about that experience is not something found. but I feel like everyone's just going to celebrate him moving forward. And he won the PTK because that's what Kai does. Kai does not lose on Sunday. So this is this is this is a thing.
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Unknown
And he proved it. And I find that fucking awesome. Kai does not lose on Sundays. Yeah. that was incredible. Something else that happened on Sunday, was that, Simon Nielsen took down the pro tour. and it's all think that has a lot of similar text. just touching on some, Simon Nielsen first. yeah.
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Congratulations on winning the pro tour. Always a fantastic achievement. so he won it with Bant Nadu in a final match, also against Nadu, made up of a semifinal of three bat Nadu's and a four color Nadu dec. so was this Nadu's pro tour? I'll throw it out to you both first 150%. This was the this was the pro tour of Nadu.
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Unknown
also shout out Simon Nielsen. Simon Nielsen was player of the year last year. Won a bunch of pro tour, had a bunch of Pro Tour top eight. And him getting his win finally is like such a, an amazing thing to see. but I am not surprised that Nadu did so well. It was 20% of the field.
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I think it had like a 58% conversion rate to day two, which is like actually insane. and I just kept winning it, just like kept winning. And to me, that is both good and bad question mark. Like it's not so get numbers. But it definitely felt like home got some many, many moons ago for people who were playing modern back then, I mean it was the most played back.
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Unknown
I don't think anyone was surprised, but it was the most played back. which means that all the other decks should have been and probably were gunning to beat nada and they pretty emphatically failed. If you look at the, the matchup for salt. So they published for, the win loss ratio of each deck of each make of archetype versus each of a major archetype not do only has one that's below 50%.
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Unknown
That's a Re-Animator. Where when 46%. And that's a very, very small sample size is 28 matches everything else above 50%, which basically means it doesn't have bad matchups amongst the established stats. that's kind of a problem going forwards. That is a problem. Yeah. The fact that people are running for Seoul Spike, which I really had to look up and harsh mental if you're playing Red, that to me is that is the other thing is as well is the ruby stormed it, which was like the other breakout deck for my tree got absolutely trounced because everyone.
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Unknown
Yeah, well not horrible. It was like 33% conversion because you can beat up on storm. Like that's the easy part. You can put in some sideboard. Travis not drawn as much straight out styles of logic like. But you can put in front of spears and like your X thing can't do something. But yeah like stronger. Absolutely annihilated. I think people just want it by storm, if I'm honest with you.
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Unknown
There's a few. There's a few old heads who were like storm who say, I like the gesture control. I mean, I mean, again, shout out to have a bad Dominguez for playing just for control. Loving that deck looks really sweet. I feel like this is the first time in a long time the just guy actually looks like a viable strategy.
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Unknown
with like wrath of the skies, galvanic discharges. and then you have played. So basically when the game, the mana black necrotic, I think that was, I feel like that's also trauma fireball deck. Like they also destroyed by Necro, but that is unsurprising that I'll do that so. Well, everyone I spoke to of course about what?
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Unknown
It's not the trends of multiple teams. Well, the council handshake, channel fireball. just I got the feeling that it was the best thing to be doing, and everyone just played nada and tried to figure out how to play it and win with it. and I had a couple of friends, pros, who were like, it wins consistently on turn three.
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Unknown
And then the storm that also wins consistently on turn three. And it's like that if I want that, I have I have a ton of formats for that thing, whereas modern shouldn't. Modern should be a little bit more interactive. It should be a bit more, it should kind of like be that interactive format. And I know people moaned about the old modern format where it was just like, look at that.
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There's not a single old modern deck for like three months ago. And citing this Pro tool like, yes, MH three shook it up, but never shook it up for the best is, to be summoned. It's always a thing of after these stats come out, there's just so much changes. People are like, but I don't think we're even at the best part.
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Unknown
There will still be decks and stuff people are finding from this format. And like, there's still adjustments people were making to the new deck. If we think the new deck is going to be around that much longer, I mean, I wish I'd taken my copies of Go to Trade. I probably would have been a bit of a smart move beforehand, but, do we think they're going to be at the point where, Naidu needs, the emergency ban, or can the format wait a couple of months till the next ban?
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Unknown
That'd be an announcement. I think for me it's looking pretty problematic. Like, I think it can Kelantan free and that is I I'm okay time where people say moderns are fine for formatting. That's that's gone. That's fine. But the thing is the other decks for can win on and three like the veil still intact for example you can bury them if you have the right pieces and traction, you know, to stop them.
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Unknown
You you have for hate for Val. it will go into a corner and do nothing for four terms until you kill it. If you sell spike for do or whatever. Now people hate you have for it. They'll just laugh at you and play. Another Nardi Vale called for another nod to. They have a lot of ways to find all of their pieces, and even if they're not like going off and killing you for not if I have so many cards that you're not playing a value game against them.
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Once they have put a knot to an issue, come into play. Like even if a game even if I don't have enough of a game, literally ends on the on that turn. Unless you're like some combo dex as well, that's killing them very quickly. The game is essentially over because they're just have too much material. Well, it's the same with like, the bristly build.
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spring hardened and tuco like just taken all do out the equation for half a second. Just bristly bill like rust like bristly bill. Spring heartland taco like like one. The engine gets going. That's kind of it. Like you don't even need classes. Okay, I don't think this version by Simon Lister was even run in the past as awful busses just make a lot like, make some, make a bunch of tokens and turn them sideways.
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Unknown
yeah. I think at some point you endurance yourself. Yeah, exactly. You're enjoying yourself and your whole attack again. Someone was trying to explain that to me while we were in a bar in Amsterdam, and I was there was not even even at the best of times. That's not going in the distilling, right? I mean, were you trying to watch the football at the same time?
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Unknown
I wish I wasn't James, I wish I yeah, yeah. Right. So for me, like I'm glad. Okay. Am I glad there is a creature combo deck in model. Yes. Do I want it to be this strong? No. Like, don't get me wrong, you're a fan of a twitch combo. That would be okay. Oh, I've cast far too many devoted to it.
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Unknown
And, like, I actually like this. Looks at devoted your combo and is like, hold my pet. And I think it's fine. Like, honestly, like in older formats, like not do fine, like it's a whole different story. I the problem is, is what do bad you don't I don't think you bounce you go. Shippo is like they have different ways it.
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Unknown
Yeah, well, also, I don't think it's a flop. I don't think that's a roll. I think it is. Just not if you're going to ban it. You buy an order and you just cut the deck before it matters. Same with okay, they banned. Oh, no. Actually, Babatunde. Bless us. yeah. I think Zuko feels like adding the bridge.
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Unknown
You know, you've got a bandit problem and you've got snot. You've got to nip it in the bud. I saw common compliance and JD and compliance, around the area. They were, like, observing and, a couple of people, like, I spoke, like, not to them directly, but people I spoke to separately, they were like, do you think they tested this?
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Unknown
Like, do you think they put these two like they put nada and the sticks together? Like, why are they thinking that this is going to be a deck? Or was it just a case of this is just, a value engine kind of call because it has a value and on the surface. But it's kind of wild not to like, like.
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Unknown
Yeah. And the first time I saw if I got I was like, oh, you just do a Skyfall. That's just a row of costs, equipment. You know, to convert lightning greaves, which it's. So we already get like we've been like, like Outrider on core is basically nomads on coal. But for modern times, like, there's a bunch of things you can do, code like if the other thing you can do it, it could be like code, but I don't want to ban Caldicot.
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Unknown
Like, I think I'm borrowing the other kind of creature about like. Like it's like you basically cut your muscle under it. You cut your arm off underneath its, shell. And the thing is, what if you ban cards and it's not good enough? Like, you just play, finale instead, and then you have to go back and that that you and I, I think I think that's fine.
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Unknown
Matt is like, normally I'm on this side of leather format. I just see if people can be fair. give it a couple of months. But it kind of just feels to me like there's no way this card is still legal in it. Yeah. it's kind like, as. So a lot of shops around, like there's some big ish modern tournaments coming up in the UK.
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Unknown
See, quite a lot of people saying like, not sure if I want to bother in the not do metagame, you know, because it's so dominant. People will just feel like they're kind of punting away at sea by not playing mod not do. But also people don't really want to buy into the deck because I think it's going to be banned.
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Unknown
Yeah. Out of interest. What numbers is it putting up outside of the Pro Tour? Because the Pro Tour is a kind of a closed meta. It's kind of it's the players are bringing decks to kind of fight against each other. So you will end up with more kind of like slightly more niche cases compared to just like a larger, wider format, kind of like House.
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Unknown
Now, I do like doing out in the wild, like on my mic go or at. Yeah, at other tournaments. So we have a small problem at the moment. my darling, is that we don't have deck list for the last week because Match Volumes API has been down, but the 75 K open, which was won by, good friend of mine, arch Dota, was playing Noddy.
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Unknown
And I feel like he said that the secret less showdowns on the 75 K opens, which is all do you know? Nor do I not do adjacent. That's So it's being played a lot. I think James said it best is the fact that it doesn't have that match up. So bad matchups, it will have a bunch of bad matchups, like all the all modern decks typically would have bad matchups, whether that's, just guy living in trance, the Boris energy decks I quite like, actually, I like that version.
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Unknown
Do that. prowess, whatever. Like they've all beat up on each other. Not only just looks all these decks is like sup like like the worst. The worst thing is probably like, just guy, but like, you rap the skies and they go, okay, I've already, you know, they've got their value. Yeah, they've got their value. And then you go rough disclosure.
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Unknown
Okay, I'll go again. Yeah. No, it's what you want. Yeah. No it's tough I guess we'll, we will see. Yeah. Especially as it was so dominant in the pro tool I guess we'll see what they've got lined up. I'm much more willing to give give decks a chance if it's in a spot like memory protocol level. He was incredibly dominant and that that did need to turn out to need bands.
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Unknown
But that was the spot where people weren't prepared for was it was kind of a breakout, not like a completely unknown deck, but people weren't preparing for the matter for that protocol. And there were different flavors of it as well. I guess that, oh, I if you came out drowsy and in that spot, it's like absolute. It's very interesting to see how the metagame plays out for a while as people adjust to that.
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Unknown
This was a pro tour where people kind of knew not who was the best tactic going in. People were pretty prepared. If you look at most of the deck lists and it still crushed it, and I'm not fair, I will say that the deck itself, one of the challenges was saying about cost cost on it. It's still like $1,000 on goldfish.
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Unknown
Like, who wants to spend like a few hundred pounds on a deck that's going to hit bad? Yeah, it's oddly not quite cheap because like tuco or like she could show up. Yeah, the One Ring is not cheap. as a saga. Still not cheap. Like the light halfling is like, shut up a bit. So the rest of the deck is is like, you know, the the kind of quote unquote good cards are, like, expensive.
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Unknown
But we still say, I, I'm cautiously optimistic it's getting banned. the problem is, is when. Yeah. I mean, I don't think I'd ban it like tomorrow. I think if in a month it's completely dominating for challengers, nothing probably got to go, I think. Well, you'll be happy to know that within the next month two sets are being released.
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Unknown
So you know. So that is true of all month. Not that is the bloom burrow or bloom haven insert in there. After bloom burrow, there will be the two week two weeks after its release that will be the part where they can ban things that is meant for cards from that set. in theory you could see them doing something that.
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Unknown
So yeah. So, so, so modern players, lot of plays bad grief, but not all three. So we will talk legacy. I promise with you. I promise you we'll talk like I see you. All right. But not so bad. Is it bad that I got, save the date for two weeks after bloom burrow comes out? That could be when it is right.
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Unknown
So let's move on to our main topic of the day. Let's talk about magic on Amsterdam. Yes. So before we get into the nitty gritty and kind of give you our thoughts, it is probably worth us just touching on because for some people they might not have heard what one is or not or not or not not had the opportunity to go to one.
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Unknown
What is it magic on? So first of all, a magic wand is a basically a massive GPU or massive event. Think the biggest gathering of magic players you've ever seen. And then but basically you're there. It's thousands of players. There's qualifying type events like peaks, like you used to get with GPUs. But they've also combined it with the idea of a convention.
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Unknown
So there's panels, there's cosplayers, they do game night slides, which is a massive production. They've also got the Pro Tour going on with you touched on which you can go and watch, there's traders there. There's activities, this kind of stuff that's basically they try to get as much in there as possible on top of obviously playing magic.
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Unknown
There's a whole big room for that, which we add on to. Also worth mentioning with this at Amsterdam is the every day sold out. we were told that it was two and a half times bigger than any previous magic con or any convention they've done. I'm not sure if that includes Vegas, because no, Vegas is meant to be massive, but from going to Barcelona last year, this definitely felt twice as big.
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Unknown
It just in terms of Hall size. It was massive. and they've been doing these for a while now. I think it's like this is a third year of magic cons, I believe. the first year they were only in America. Last year we had one in Europe, and this was on our second one in Europe. And I definitely felt like this was an improvement over last year.
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Unknown
They definitely learned and taken things away and gradually improved what they are offering. so yeah. Mentor. Well, fortunate. Fortunate enough to go to Magic on Barcelona last year. But James, this was your first magic con. I kind of wanna get your thoughts first. What was your first impression of magic on of magic on Amsterdam. your first experience of the magic on.
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Unknown
Yeah, I thought it was cool. I think I, as a magic player. probably, like, not the target audience. And a lot of ways, because just because I'm not that into, like, mostly I want to be playing magic. I'm not that into a lot of the conventional side of it. It's like, cool. You're recording that game night.
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Unknown
That's fun. I don't particularly care, you know? but I had a great time. I would, I would say, like, I probably wouldn't have gone if it wasn't a city I wanted to go to for a nice holiday. You know, if it were, instead of being in Amsterdam, it was in, like I said, I'm not going to just name a city that sounds boring on the internet.
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Unknown
That doesn't sound like a high play. Yeah, I agree, I was thinking about this like like if it was like in Edinburgh and like, I love Edinburgh, but I've also been there a couple of times. I can go there on the train. It's not something I'm going to go. I'm going to go for a holiday for in the summer months when I when things are busy.
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Unknown
If it was like some way I kind of like that, I might not, I be less inclined to go compared to somewhere cool like Amsterdam or somewhere cool like Barcelona last year. I think that is fair. Yeah for sure. I think the the thing that would get me to be more likely to go was a bunch of these.
00:23:05:01 - 00:23:28:03
Unknown
So I'm saying all of these now they're doing these big like 75 K open events, which I think live a tough pay gap invites. Correct. but also just great people. Kind of a cheap vibe that feels like a cheap, if that was limited, I would have been like way more up for going and doing all the days of, con to go and play that.
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Unknown
this time it happened to be Martin. I'm not that into modern. I don't mind playing it. I'm certainly not going to go and buy an RTX play, and I'm, But yeah, I, I be way more of getting offers on them. I still had a great time, though. We did, did Vic Gavin for a mystery event.
00:23:46:23 - 00:24:09:10
Unknown
That was really fun. so a bunch of people, it was a great time. I probably wouldn't spend a bunch of money go off way to a city I wasn't that interested in just to do the magic. if there wasn't, like, a competitive magic event, I wanted to play in the. You know? Yeah, I think that's very fair.
00:24:09:10 - 00:24:24:12
Unknown
I think, going to does do different things, and I guess I kind of it is it's it, it it's I just want to cater to everyone. I guess they can only do so many 75 K events. And if it doesn't get to them then that does make sense. And also kind of look like like like like that's going to.
00:24:24:12 - 00:24:41:01
Unknown
Right too. Because like I'm doing kind of, you, you had some day past, you kind of went for the one day and it was like the city break and it's kind of like, like. So that was a group of us who went over effectively for a prolonged city break with, you, you diving headfirst into the magical.
00:24:41:01 - 00:24:56:12
Unknown
And you were there every day. I was there two days, James. You were there one. And some of our friends were also only there for the one day. It kind of that's that is one thing about it is that you can kind of adjust what you want based on the holiday, based on what you have around it. But yeah, yeah, for sure.
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Unknown
And I think that is something wizards are conscious of and is probably why they chose to host it in a cool city like Amsterdam, like they're much cheaper places for them. They could have put this magic on, and I think it's a good decision to put it in places that people want to go to anyway. I think there's a lot of other places they can like, but they could put where it's cheaper for us as well.
00:25:17:15 - 00:25:43:04
Unknown
But we'll get on to costs. I think towards the end, because Amsterdam is not a new place, it's not, but it is a destination city. It is. I canals, it's beautiful. It's not. It's I think one thing I'm realizing with the cities they're picking is that they are like hubs. They are easy to get to. in the case of, yes, big airport.
00:25:43:23 - 00:26:11:09
Unknown
you know, it's easy to get around as well. Yeah. And conventions all like the ROI is massive, like the ROI, it's basically the size of that. So, for UK listeners, and I think that is a testament to finding somewhere that could accommodate these multi thousand, capacity events. And there is a, there's few places around Europe that can really do that.
00:26:12:14 - 00:26:37:06
Unknown
because you can do like one maybe two, 3000 people. But like once you're getting into the tens, it's really like a handful of convention centers around Europe that can accommodate that. and I agree with James. I think, you know, in the past I've had the limited open, I think just, for modern, it's I was talking to the person who's like basically the events coordinator, at dinner on the Thursday night.
00:26:37:06 - 00:26:57:17
Unknown
And it's like they when they were deciding what magical what they wrote, like on the whiteboard of like Magic Con is. And then they just wrote a load of like X, y, z things. And I'm like, okay, well, how can we accommodate those experiences? So what? Maybe for me and you, James, we would want someone else is like, give me that in like space.
00:26:57:19 - 00:27:16:07
Unknown
So it's it's a tough sell. I appreciate that trying to do lots of things. But I do think that I still honestly, I think they knocked it out of the park this time. There's a few snags and costs are definitely a discussion point to have. But I did my feedback and I was like ten out of ten. No, you know, some notes.
00:27:16:07 - 00:27:40:12
Unknown
But like I didn't think it was bad. Yeah, for sure. If I wasn't meant to like criticism of the event, it was more just like where it lands with me personally. but yeah, no, I felt very the con side of it did work. Well, I think I, I always thought of it in terms of, you know, if I used to try and do a bit of that stuff in ships.
00:27:40:12 - 00:28:02:10
Unknown
Right. And it was always a bit, a bit weak, but it was a bit like half assed and that frame, that wasn't the case that they went all out and that stuff, it all worked. It was all cool. And they just also seemed to be like a pretty big range of stuff available for different interests within magic.
00:28:02:10 - 00:28:22:20
Unknown
Like I saw I say like cube corner bit, which unfortunately being that's the one that you didn't get set out to check out. But it was basically just a bunch of people brought their own cubes. There was a discord channel that would. Yeah, that way, I think if we'd done a second day out of of Love to go and go and play some cubes I love, I've only found out about cubes.
00:28:22:20 - 00:28:44:04
Unknown
Hope cube, co-present, shout, cube, Kobra. But cube for the on the second day. But I was like, I just sold them. I was like, what are you doing? Like, I just sort of walked travels like you cube now. Like. Yes. And also very nice. But that's the thing. Same with the the Canadian Highland meetup that happened on that happened on Sunday.
00:28:44:09 - 00:29:05:00
Unknown
They ended up going from like the crater area into free play because it was so many of them, like a bunch of different formats for like pick themselves up and do things. so I felt like there was something for everyone. no, definitely. I think that's kind of let actually go around some of the different things that was on offer.
00:29:05:00 - 00:29:22:09
Unknown
So let's start. I think we've constructed events and this is kind of this was kind of, I think your bread and butter for the weekend, kind of like, you so they have like, like yeah, the 75 K Modern Open. There were other ones as well. so I do want to talk about the constructive events that you played in.
00:29:22:11 - 00:29:42:08
Unknown
Oh, I will do, but I'll kind of talk about some of the constructed events that I was aware of. So there's a 75 K open. What is, well, what me and James are probably for like our classic GP kind of vibe, you know, 15 round cold day to, you know, play whatever. Then you have the Secret Life showdowns which happened at the last match at when you're playing for like a high prize.
00:29:42:18 - 00:30:02:11
Unknown
then you had cups so each format had like a cup event, which was like the, it was like the halfway house between a casual kind of like, you know, vibes based, you know, have fun or something a bit more competitive, like 75 KS. but if you wear the cups that competitive RL, it was a bit more regular raffles.
00:30:02:11 - 00:30:20:17
Unknown
So it's like they call the way they the way they branded it on the on the events website was challenging. So it was casual, challenging and competitive. I don't know why Bunny Rabbit is that, but that's fine. but those were like €50 and the top eight would get I think it was like, they would get ticks for every win they had.
00:30:20:19 - 00:30:39:20
Unknown
So that was their incentive for playing. If they won, they got ticks for the prize one. That was a nice move incentive because I didn't really like the three round, kind of like side event side. I kind of want I feel like people wanted to have like 6 or 7 rounds or something, that they could just kind of play for another longer period of events.
00:30:39:22 - 00:31:03:22
Unknown
Then the competitive events. so I played in the legacy for artwork event. So this was, quite a small event because it was quite expensive. It had high hopes, I think is the way to say it was. It had high hopes and a dream and I don't think I. Yeah. So I do your best place to talk about it I think.
00:31:03:24 - 00:31:29:23
Unknown
Well so the, the so the Friday only had 40 had one for players. I of unsurprising went undefeated in the list and got dispatched in the quarterfinals. but we also for legacy there was 121 people playing the cup event, which was literally the tables opposite. And it was it was at the same time, isn't it? So that which is very tricky.
00:31:30:00 - 00:31:51:05
Unknown
That's very tricky. So I kind of just stretched the legacy player base a bit thin. Exactly. Yeah. I'm sorry, how much was the event that, I was the legacy for artwork at the event? €125, which is, And the artwork I said, so I you did two of these? It was. Yes, you did the Friday one, I believe, was the witch's cottage.
00:31:51:07 - 00:32:17:16
Unknown
Correct. And then one was unexpected discovery, from the lock up in alarm. but the cup events for 50 years, so was a lot more like, you know, friendly. yeah. Same. But doing one of them, like, or doing one for paintings on one day seems like an idea. And not at the same time as a cheaper, more acceptable, oh, more accessible and also slightly more relaxed.
00:32:17:16 - 00:32:58:16
Unknown
Because. Yeah, because you're one the, the one for the painting was competitive, right. I played a comparable and for me, that's kind of the way I like playing it. But, you are a game as a hobby. I am indeed game of I continue the game. But yeah, it was like we definitely noticed it. But then on the second day we had about 34, for the artwork event for the second day, which I think considering the price point and people to play like, you see the first day, a lot of people, I felt who wanted to play the events were coming for the day to play the event, certainly from the
00:32:58:16 - 00:33:19:02
Unknown
legacy players we had rather than there for the whole weekend. I was there was really only like a handful. That's only for legacy of like 20, 30 players who were playing all the events. and that's certainly I was one of them. shout out to a couple of others who were also like joining me on the fun of weekend escapades of legacy events.
00:33:19:02 - 00:33:37:01
Unknown
But that was what I felt like. There was enough for everyone to be doing, competitive wise. And I feel like that. Options available, you could find your format, I'm assuming, like, yeah, but you mentioned the modern one. I'm assuming there was a like was there a pioneer card that was a standard vintage? Vintage? No. Vintage? No. No.
00:33:37:01 - 00:33:58:19
Unknown
Oh, no. Vintage. Okay. there wasn't just there wasn't just players around, though I did see I did see a couple, who just had two vintage decks in that bag. I'm like, no, no, what? You did not do that? but yeah, mainly I this is the first time legacy got anything, more than, like, a free round side event.
00:33:58:19 - 00:34:13:04
Unknown
And I think it was a success. I hope they do more of them in the future. The cup sounds more successful. Yeah, yeah yeah, yeah. No, that's good. I'm happy. I'm happy playing 6 or 7 rounds for like some tickets. I don't mind, just let me play 6 or 7 rounds of competitive magic. These are people I'm a collector.
00:34:13:04 - 00:34:29:15
Unknown
Booster box of Outlaws of Thunder Junction I love it, I did I love it when you bring home the boosts. Yes, I did go maths my weekend. So we have fun. We'll get on to the on the purchases. Don't know, don't you worry. But But keeping it on the on the topic of boosters, on demand events.
00:34:29:20 - 00:34:49:06
Unknown
so this is something that, most big conventions and big magic events have had, I've had for a while. It's basically, you don't pre-book on like, constructed events or, or booked side events. You just show up, and you show up, to a booth. You, you pay some money, and when there's eight of you, it fires.
00:34:49:20 - 00:35:07:21
Unknown
James, you, got in pretty early on this Sunday to fire off a draft. I know you for time reasons. You weren't able to finish it, but. But how was the experience of drafting? Was it. Did you have to wait long to get the the full pod of eight? Like, how was that for you? they were firing so quickly.
00:35:07:21 - 00:35:34:21
Unknown
It was unbelievable. I was I eyes as I arrived. The previous pod just got there. A person there was like a table where you had to sit out to wait for the right sort of draft, and there were, like, a variety with various different stakes. literally before they left the table to go into that draft, there was another eight people waiting to try to connect on that table.
00:35:34:23 - 00:35:59:21
Unknown
And, you know, they were they were taken over a good. Right. and were like pretty efficiently organized. I think they've been doing these for a while now. They know how to do them. They are good. I would honestly, I would very happily like go and just play on the events for a day. that would be I would have a great time.
00:36:00:15 - 00:36:22:24
Unknown
the cups actually sounds kind of cool though, because it's like it, it feels like it would be kind of the same thing if I could do a draft cup, but, it's like a little bit more structure, right? And you're like, you know, you can if you go and create your two drafts, it's cool to have like, oh, like, then what an extra thing for getting six hours a day, you know.
00:36:24:02 - 00:36:48:15
Unknown
but yeah, no, for the underground events all worked really well. It's, it does feel like you're paying a lot, like, not for vape like, because if you were to just go off, shelf and deliver on demand. Eventful day. It's like, obviously you're buying a bunch of tickets for two and two the events and then on top of that, you're paying for entry.
00:36:48:15 - 00:37:13:08
Unknown
I think it would be kind of cool if they did a thing where you could buy like your entry ticket and a whole bunch of event tickets and one thing, and you got a bit of a discount for doing that. Or maybe similarly, if you're entering one of the pretty high stakes events like for 75 K, if they did, oh, your ticket like costs a little bit more.
00:37:13:08 - 00:37:31:11
Unknown
That comes with free entry for that day. It feels like kind of a field. It's kind of feel it, feel bad to like I'm showing up to this event. I also have to pay a bunch of money to get in the building, you know? yeah, like like a draw. Like a festival. Like a draft off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:37:31:13 - 00:37:52:05
Unknown
And to be fair, I there may there may be things like this that existed. I didn't look into it that much. Said you were doing other stuff some of the time, but, I when I've looked at previous ones of these events, I've been like, oh, it would be cool if I existed. I did get that was my feedback to to the, the official Wizards.
00:37:53:00 - 00:38:22:08
Unknown
I think that having at least your badge with like one entry to a draft or something like that, like, like, but like, I'm gonna be honest with you, that building was, like, dripping or like, I was, like, overflowing with Outlaws of Thunder Junction booster packs. Like, I think by the end, like, but, like, just like the sellers were, like, buying a booster box for like 40, €50 just because there was so many around, like, you could easily like.
00:38:22:08 - 00:38:49:10
Unknown
But I know three is a premium product, but like, you could easily give someone like just give people. And that was the authentic junction draft. Like what's three booster packs to Wizards when there's literally like like pallets of the things out back. But yeah yeah for sure. Like I think if you got the premium parts that came with like, you know, you go for a Q quick event, here's some pieces like I think many like you can just buy the boosters any time they edit.
00:38:49:12 - 00:39:06:24
Unknown
I think it would be cool if it came with a draft. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It I think the premium weekend pass because one of the people we were with accidentally was given it, when they were getting their badge on the Thursday. It just came with like a collector booster in a modern, and a michi booster.
00:39:07:01 - 00:39:26:10
Unknown
That was the. Oh, yeah. That is the anecdote that I, that I was told I have not done. I have not looked up. There must be something else you get with that. Yeah. Maybe you might have got access to the show floor early or something. We'll get on that when we get on to kind of like the shop and stuff, but kind of keeping it, just talking about side events.
00:39:26:20 - 00:39:42:18
Unknown
they do have some kind of like predetermined events, kind of like, there's like a schedule and you can put things in events. These do tend to actually sell out pretty quickly. So I think like it was it was like buying Glastonbury tickets, I'll be honest with you. There's like six of us all okay, this event is going on sale.
00:39:42:18 - 00:40:04:23
Unknown
Well, let's all buy them because, yeah, there's like flashback draft, there's chaos drafts, there's like draft with creators, that kind of stuff. The one that we, that all of us did as a large group was the Gavin Vai mystery event. these are probably my favorite events to do at magical. And because they are, they specifically exist for just that weekend.
00:40:05:12 - 00:40:26:16
Unknown
if you're not aware what they are, it's basically, I think they kind of settled on the format of it's like 60 card command sealed. one on one, you get like six booster packs plus, ten playtest cards that Gavin has made specifically for this event. They're only made for this band, and they all play test cards.
00:40:26:16 - 00:40:48:20
Unknown
They are like the playtest sticker stuck on a magic card. I'm I'm aware that the judges have to spend quite a bit of time helping him stick them all on. but basically, yeah, you play 68, commander. the change this time was that, you could give any 1 or 2 color legend partner, but as long as the total wasn't more than three colors, so.
00:40:48:20 - 00:41:04:10
Unknown
So you couldn't have two, two color commanders to make four colors, but basically you could implement it. Everyone could have access to a three color commander, which worked pretty well because I think we got we got like 6 or 8 booster packs, something like that. I know there was like a there was like there was none of the color of mana.
00:41:04:12 - 00:41:34:10
Unknown
Ravenclaw remastered MH three outlets over the junction. Well, like the the split and then you've got the card. I think with the playtest cards, because they were, a lot more European creators that were sort of reference. So I think like Peasant Kenobi, Max likes magic. Kristen Gregory from the, commander advisory, group, the CAG, like a bunch of people I knew who's like, I was like, oh, this is this person.
00:41:34:12 - 00:41:58:22
Unknown
But also you had like, boxes of, a bunch of the other creators that were also being reference. So it's kind of it was very cool to see like, oh, I recognize this, but I recognize this is their card. so the question is, what does powerful. Nothing. I can't do. Discard your hand. It's just a no. Another thing.
00:41:58:23 - 00:42:17:00
Unknown
Right. It's just no. Yeah. What do you. I want something that gives us like a pack one, pick one I want, like, booster two or something like that. Yeah, I want a creature or something like that. That'd be sick. Give us a pack one, pick one. No, I mean, it's some horrible. And I think it's more of a theme with, the name.
00:42:17:02 - 00:42:38:19
Unknown
It's just going to, like, kick ass. And then nothing happens in the game for, like, 10s nothing happens. Yeah, but how quickly. How? yeah. You get like an age counter. You had sets about of age counters. You win the game because you. Exactly. That's not okay. It's like epic. Like you just. Yeah, yeah, yeah. effects. Yeah.
00:42:39:03 - 00:42:55:08
Unknown
so my tactic for this one was definitely different to last year. So we did this at Barcelona. I, I personally I tried building a good deck. I had like Azusa and a white legend combined, and the deck was all very solid and very good. But this time I kind of was like, I want to play with these playtest cards.
00:42:55:10 - 00:43:16:10
Unknown
So I had the cast enchanted. If you can work out who these are, let me know what I'm saying. Them. Okay, so this is two and a Simic three for four. Legendary Enchantment Creature elemental. It has three and a blue tap and sacrifice another creature such a libero up to four cards. A don't share a value, power, toughness or contact with each other.
00:43:16:12 - 00:43:39:04
Unknown
Take an opponent chooses two of those cards. Put the chosen cards into your graveyard and the rest into your hand. Then shuffle. That's kind got like a birthing party. fact or fiction kind of vibe to it. And it's also an enchantment. And I combined that. I paired that with, the great juggernaut. This is three and a red for A53 legendary artifact creature juggernaut.
00:43:39:06 - 00:44:02:07
Unknown
I mean, if you upkeep sacrifice the Great Juggernaut, unless you discard a card whenever it attacks, shuffle the shuffle your library and exile the top card of your library. You might play that card without paying its magic cost this turn. I think this is actually so. This one that I think is a is actually a Buddha card because it's yeah, the great juggernaut references well, obviously juggernaut, but also Master core and temporal aperture, which I believe he won.
00:44:03:03 - 00:44:24:03
Unknown
so no championship. So yeah, I had this, I had the gold bullet version of this deck as a kid, and as one of the reasons why I owned, like, eight strand dynamos. yeah. Yeah, my deck was, team, ten, like team of beef. after game one, I realized I should just be playing all of my four and five drops and cut a lot of my early do nothing creatures.
00:44:24:03 - 00:44:55:14
Unknown
And, yeah, I thought it was pretty solid. I mainly picked these colors because it meant I was playing as many of these, cards as possible. These played as as possible, and that's kind of the vibe of it. couple of other couple about these cards that kind of stuck out to me that they made me for the event, famous museum three generic for an artifact whenever creature control dies, but an art counter and famous museum tap and add a colorless plus an additional color for each art counter on famous museum that is referencing the Van Gough Museum.
00:44:56:01 - 00:45:21:19
Unknown
which we actually went to the day before. And then, James, who was your commander? What did you end up building? So I kind of just built with my commanders for busts of magic where I opened, reasonable, because it was the desert that makes the tamago, and I like making tamago. It's, And mostly my deck was play literally any creature event, like, get dessert and make lots of tamago.
00:45:21:19 - 00:45:53:06
Unknown
If it was very effective. Until I played again. Stan. Yeah, when he gave his cave Buddha joke. No, commander. Two plus two plus two and flying. And I died to counter damage. but yeah, no, DSR was cool. I had some some nice, playtest cards and that cat, something which is a reference to a content creator, I believe, which makes when you attack, you make one of a variety of cards as a token that has ash in the name.
00:45:53:11 - 00:46:15:07
Unknown
I didn't even look up what they all did. I never got to attack with it, but I thought the idea was sweet. For the one really cool playtest card I opened, I couldn't quite find a way to fix. I didn't then open any of I could do cards. That's it was a legend. Where before the game you can pose an amendment to the rules of magic.
00:46:15:09 - 00:46:37:14
Unknown
Oh, my opponent accepts. Then you play with that amendment as if for the entire game. And if not, you get to scry to and you keep that cards an asset. I think that's, Tim Willoughby's card. He's, the commander of the ace. I believe the rule decks or the flavor decks level is rule zero.
00:46:37:16 - 00:46:59:21
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The, the rule I was going to propose was all spells have stolen. Okay from that. Hahahahaha. so I, in my first round, someone next to me played that as their command, and they I think they did. all lands tap for two manner. Good. Yeah. The person went for it in game one.
00:47:00:01 - 00:47:19:24
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, I went for it and I just. Yeah, that seemed pretty solid I think. But yeah, you could definitely do. Oh, and all spells have dried eight. What can we do. What can we do. It's too much too many choices to make. And it's my 80 card deck. My buddies have been what have you cast a spell deal free death.
00:47:20:01 - 00:47:45:19
Unknown
It's love. It's like playing on time for the shortest time possible. So I will just, I do want to hear from you because your you. That was one of your games. That was kind of one of the most ridiculous things I think I've ever seen in any game of magic. do you want to read your commander and then go into how my commander, was the eagle of egotistical velociraptor who is,
00:47:45:24 - 00:48:13:03
Unknown
I don't have the content creator, but I did tag them. I found out who it was afterwards. I tagged them. So this is two and ask for six, six, five, six, six. so, dinosaur boxer, which is grumpy cold, like when the eagle when it enters the battlefield, if you cast it, you may choose another magic player currently in the game with magic and ask them to take over your game until the end of your turn.
00:48:13:03 - 00:48:45:12
Unknown
If they agree, shuffle your hand into your library drawful and game for life. You can't give them advice, but witty banter is encouraged now. I played against my friend Dennis Offerman. Shout out Dennis for being an absolute sport because this game took, I want to say, over an hour, that man is a saint for putting up with the no nonsense, so I got, friend of the channel, eco brought into play, and I've got a picture of Andreas, literally mind melting as he tries to figure out what happens.
00:48:45:21 - 00:49:02:02
Unknown
then I for context, he would been playing in the pro tour the day before and was about to. Yeah. Was he about to leave as well? Yeah. Something I was about to say goodbye before he was like, come on. And I was yeah, I was just like, hey, lovely to see you. I wish like my line drop.
00:49:02:02 - 00:49:16:22
Unknown
I was like, oh, can you just hold on a second? I hit five man a ton faster. Smells like sit down. He was like, what? I'm like, read the card. And he's like, okay. And I have a picture of him just trying to figure out what the hell is going on. the prior game. This is getting to the program.
00:49:16:23 - 00:49:37:23
Unknown
James I found James, and I was playing against my friend Vivian. But Vivian had a command that meant that she could, it basically could companion the sword, shield, and hand of culture, and then she could put it together. And I said she had A99 that we couldn't beat. And James said, yo, that's the. And I was like, yes.
00:49:38:00 - 00:50:07:09
Unknown
But game two, I found Andreas. Then I found Vivian from my first game, and then I found my friend Peter Vander have and all three of these players played in this game against Dennis. so yeah, four players total played against their whole players. I had a very funny moment, actually, where I thought I was actually going to kill Dennis, where I had a I, there's a one of the, cards was, it blue, blue.
00:50:08:05 - 00:50:32:01
Unknown
make excuse and then make a x creature equals number of clues you made. So I made x equals eight, made an eight eight. And then I drew this. it was a six man. Of course, I want to say, outlaws. whatever is a battlefield. Investigate. Whenever you seek a clue, each opponent gets two poison counters, and I just went play this.
00:50:32:01 - 00:50:48:21
Unknown
Go looked at Dennis. I was like, Dennis, I guess you're dead because I got like 12 manna. and then he chopped X of murder. And then I just laugh out loud. I just, I burst out laughing because I love of course you did. And then finally I grind him down and then just attack with, like, a load of creatures.
00:50:48:21 - 00:51:09:23
Unknown
And he's like, yeah, you got me. But what a good sport. That game was like an hour. You need to buy him a beer at some point. So I did have some. I did have many beers. Good, good. but yeah, that that was genuinely, the highlight of the weekend was just me just laughing at just the silliness that came to pass.
00:51:09:23 - 00:51:28:02
Unknown
Like they were all me playing too much today. It was a lot of fun. But just that moment of just like seeing that all unfold. Incredible. Me and James was sat next to and from every time I looked up. There's a different person sitting in the chair. Yeah. You just would you just stand with you just standing behind them laughing.
00:51:28:04 - 00:51:45:03
Unknown
It just happened. I just looking at Dennis going, I'm so sorry, my darling, but. Yeah. What I want to there's a card that I didn't get to play. I wish I got a good play. So I had one which was the master of cuisine. I didn't get to play this because I was, but I wanted to. One of this creature attacks Grace, a food token.
00:51:45:03 - 00:52:08:16
Unknown
Whenever you sacrifice a food, choose one. So. Oh, creature. Taste and trample pasta. Scry one pizza tap tography feature. This is amazing how she does this. My Gucci cuisine. You can see I also had Ashley's off, but I also got Ashley's design. Mine. I got pleasant taxa, which actually I think could be a card, which is, one man.
00:52:08:18 - 00:52:39:00
Unknown
It's one of the white tutus of death and taxes. That's as it enters a battlefield. Choose casting creature spells, casting no creature spells, searching libraries. Area called beyond the first each term or activating abilities other the man abilities doing the chosen action. Cosplayers what more so it's like I was like, yeah, like I think I just do activating abilities of the manor abilities.
00:52:39:00 - 00:53:02:09
Unknown
I think that's the one I'd want. so it's designed that. Yeah. No. Yeah. I mean, I think it was a ton of fun. I think we all. Yeah. All recommend it. yeah, it's just kind of cracking on in terms of other things that we did and that you can do it in magic on. obviously there's also a lot of traders, if you have cards to get rid of or there's something big you're looking for, you can definitely do it there.
00:53:03:14 - 00:53:23:20
Unknown
I would definitely say the Friday most of the traders were like too deep a lot of the time. I think that was very much people trying to get all their trades done as early as possible. I did most of mine in the Sunday. I managed to trades that some effectively. Half of an old legacy back. I haven't played in ages for, some jewel lands, a Wheel of fortune and a survival of the fittest, which we love.
00:53:24:22 - 00:53:47:00
Unknown
that was pretty hot. wifey, you mentioned the girl mass. What did you buy? I got myself a tropical island. Got myself a tropical island? Yeah, I bought myself a truck, because I was like, you know what? I'll really. Well, this weekend I went top eight and I went top eight, and I was eighth and 10th in both of my events.
00:53:47:02 - 00:54:05:09
Unknown
How much it myself. So what myself should you should treat yourself. I know we had some friends who I basically just bought, like a deck box full of cards and basically like over the course of a day, were able to get to trade them in. I think get like that, like a friend of ours, he had a lot of kind of like five and ten good cards and traded up to a manuscript.
00:54:05:09 - 00:54:22:09
Unknown
And that's one of the cool things you can do at these conventions. Just get that done. and then obviously next up we have meet and greets. so there's a ton of different ways you can meet creators like that. Just walking around for one. some of the bigger ones have specific times where you can queue up and you can get stuff signed.
00:54:22:09 - 00:54:38:10
Unknown
You can meet them. there was also a big creator corner where people were doing content that is free for people. Just go in and just say hi and just wander around that kind of stuff. before we get to the like the next part of this I do want to touch on something happened to James and James.
00:54:38:10 - 00:54:57:01
Unknown
You got apparently big timed by some random American content creator, and it's really funny, but, would you mind just regaling us with that one? I don't want to like, I don't know. We don't have to get back on track, though. Like what? So that part of the part of the story is we don't know the names, but.
00:54:57:01 - 00:55:17:23
Unknown
Yeah, let's I think. Yeah. Like, listen, I'm sure I think this was probably meant better. And it came across to me, but I kind of sat down and they were like, oh, do you watch such magic content? And I was like, yeah, what's the magic content actually never contact Faces of Upside Down. So it's just it's so sad that they said I've the exact words.
00:55:17:23 - 00:55:44:20
Unknown
But if you watched the magic content, you know who we are, which I just found this puzzle on quite a lot. Yeah. It's it's so funny. Magic content creators who I do know who they are. which is so that a lot of fun. not not so much of a magic card, actually. I mean, I saw them wandering around, it's, that's a nice chat with Kevin at the afterparty, which will discuss later.
00:55:44:22 - 00:56:06:13
Unknown
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I know as well that, of other awesomeness are you got to play legacy with Ben Wheeler. How was that? Yeah. So me and Wheeler have been chatting on Twitter. he had followed me a while ago. and on an episode of the PR him and Xbox, and they become kind of to saying that they like legacy.
00:56:06:18 - 00:56:21:17
Unknown
And I was watching the people and I was like, I got it. It just said the magic word. so I like message guy and like, if you ever want to chat, shop like I got you. so we've been chatting a little bit and I was like, oh, you know, you're from Amsterdam. We love to meet you.
00:56:21:17 - 00:56:40:06
Unknown
Are they blah blah blah? He was doing, a sort of play Canadian Highlander thing at the ultrasound. and I got there a bit late, so I was like, I kind of before my event was about before the, my Saturday event was about to start. I was like, hey, they were like, oh, really? If I see you, amazing.
00:56:40:14 - 00:57:04:03
Unknown
if not, we'll catch up. And we've kind of been texting a little bit on Twitter. and I sort of said, hey, you allowed to play legacy? And he was like, actually. And I was like, oh, okay. So, well, the last things I did before the Sunday, rounded off is I basically was in the free play area jam legacy for about our Wheeler absolutely annihilated me.
00:57:04:07 - 00:57:24:10
Unknown
I didn't care because I saw a man go back on the bike so fast. it was a I don't see the bike that fast. That boy was cast in ponders daisies and rainstorms. Like, it was like going out of fashion. and I got absolutely crushed. But I saw someone fall in love with a format once again.
00:57:24:12 - 00:57:39:00
Unknown
And I think his current stance is as soon as they ban, grief is back. And I was like, you come to a tunnel, we can wait. He was like, maybe I was like, what if I told you you can borrow Delver? He's like, wow, now, now you talk and I'm like, it's there for you if you want it.
00:57:39:12 - 00:58:05:11
Unknown
because obviously driving Legacy is like, you know, a fun passion project of mine and getting more people to play. The format is incredible. So yeah, that was that was probably that meeting him, in terms of creators was like definitely my highlight. Shivam, I've been on Casual Magic before. and to meet someone who's as passionate about magic as I am is like, pretty awesome.
00:58:06:02 - 00:58:24:03
Unknown
and then some of the other creators who I know from the Birds of Energy collective Eye Man and the other thing, just see them in person was also really nice. So, I got to meet some creators, but I never felt like I was like, oh, look at me, I'm Sam Hardy, all this kind of stuff. but I had people come up to me and say they've watched my content.
00:58:25:17 - 00:58:47:04
Unknown
you know, that my energy and enthusiasm is very infectious. No, definitely. Well, talking of the content, so you were also on site. you had a panel in one of the, guest rooms. do you want to touch on that? Also, I also there will be a link to the recording down in the show notes. but yeah, I do want to talk a little bit about your panel.
00:58:47:06 - 00:59:11:14
Unknown
Yes, I yes, I will, Daniel. Thank you. So I, so when the magic con, sort of hype train had started, there was a thing about doing this community panels and I had seen, hub to who runs the Goblin Lore podcast and is, heading up the Better Days MTG and which is about magic for mental health.
00:59:11:14 - 00:59:44:16
Unknown
And I was like, I want to do something like that. you know, my background as someone who is interested in magic, mental health, so I put in an application to do it, and I found, again, I'm sorry. I have drawings again. Andrea Peterson, Emma Partlow, and then, Daniel Kane, to kind of discuss magic from sort of competitive perspective, casual perspective, and also content creator perspective in terms of this sort of balancing that we all have to do with, like, you know, our hobby becoming our job or our job becoming a hobby and stuff like that.
00:59:44:16 - 01:00:09:19
Unknown
And I think it went really well. the recording, we just, did the final it's on the recording that should be online. as I said in the show notes below. So feel free to watch it. I'm very proud of it. They made it very easy for me. and I feel like the questions we got were really nice, and I feel like everyone walked away from that experience feeling a little bit better, which is all I really want.
01:00:09:21 - 01:00:29:22
Unknown
Yeah. No, I yeah, yeah, me and James are both in attendance and yeah, it was, really well hosted were wonderful MSI but also yeah. Yeah very thoughtful and a lot of things to kind of like really get people thinking about, the mental health and ways to help players get the most out of magic from, positive point of view.
01:00:29:22 - 01:00:51:05
Unknown
So. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I would highly recommend you check out the recording for that if you weren't able to make it there. yeah, for sure. If it creates a circulate, I can give it. I thought halfway through and MH free play my games and free draft to go through it. And I did not regret that decision. And that's quite a lot for me, especially because my deck was absolutely cracked.
01:00:51:20 - 01:01:19:21
Unknown
no. I, let's touch on merch a little bit. so so the merch of the con was very, it was very cool. The, I think the main downside is some of the queues were obscene. I think average. I think at peak time, the queue was about three hours, for merch. it did look like the secret tech was you could preorder it and show up at a set time and pick it up.
01:01:19:23 - 01:01:36:15
Unknown
That seemed like a very short queue. I think in the future, if you were going to do it, that that would be my hot ticket. actually my recommendation? Just buy it ahead of time and show up at a given time. Like if you want to. Q cool, but, yeah. Like there was some cool things, like the orange bomber jacket was quite vibey.
01:01:36:15 - 01:02:01:22
Unknown
I was able to get the, the, it's a iax shirt, but magical, themed. That was pretty cool. And then. Yeah, yeah, obviously there's placemats and t shirts and all the kind of stuff that you would expect from an event convention. we'll kind of get onto how we got those a little bit later on. but one thing I also want to touch on, which that's something we all went on, we all went to was the Friday was the afterparty.
01:02:02:13 - 01:02:24:12
Unknown
yeah. So this was, emo night. Yes. I want to say, yeah. So this was in a, like a gig venue somewhere in southern Amsterdam. Kind of like near enough to the convention center. what were all your takes on this? I do, I kind of want to start with the immediate thing that I think annoyed a lot of people, and it's.
01:02:24:14 - 01:02:44:17
Unknown
I think they curtailed it pretty quickly. they were initially charging you 4 pound to go to the toilet. So I found out there were secret toilets downstairs that were three, the ones upstairs as well. So, so so they started off. You had to pay them also with money. The afterparty was a ticketed event. It was €50 to go to it in the first place.
01:02:44:19 - 01:03:01:12
Unknown
Then on top of that, they were trying to charge you for euros to go to the toilet. I the the vibe I got is that happened for about an hour and then someone said something to a Wizards employee, and then they quickly removed the people who were trying to charge you for the toilet, because I, I didn't end up paying for toilet.
01:03:01:12 - 01:03:19:20
Unknown
I the first time, I was kind of like I did the shimmy of I was basically but they gave you a stamp. So I did the shimmy of flicking my hand over as if I had to stamp, but then just walk through. But yeah, I do not like that was the main negative. I thought about it and I do think as well that was the venue, not actually Wizards.
01:03:20:00 - 01:03:40:07
Unknown
Totally. That was just a bit of miscommunication from the venue side on that. But you guys and I what did you think of it? yeah, I was I wouldn't say it was technically my music. I was there's a lot of pop punk. there's a lot of all of that stuff, but that is good. And, I had a great time.
01:03:41:16 - 01:04:03:24
Unknown
the, the music was, you know, you can't cater to all peoples tastes. That's fine. the, but they they nailed it with some bits. I thought they ended kind of week. So, you know, on the music front. Yeah, well, it was weird, but they so. So they played killing in the name of, like Mr. Brightside, but then like the first.
01:04:04:00 - 01:04:34:11
Unknown
Yeah. Killing in the name is such a strong finishing song. You can't, you couldn't be using that. Yeah. Yeah. It's just unacceptable I think. So the, my main critique, I think it was an amazing event. I had an amazing time and I felt like, it was definitely good. But the, the sticking point and I think its attendance numbers showed is that creators had to pay originally and then they backtracked that and then people could get it for free.
01:04:34:13 - 01:05:02:20
Unknown
So that meant that the amount of people who were in the building was a little bit less. I also think it being on Friday rather than Saturday is actually a point against it, because at Barcelona, when we had the when we had the, the beach, the party on the Saturday, you had a bunch of pros who obviously weren't playing in the next day, who just attended.
01:05:02:22 - 01:05:34:22
Unknown
And so there be a lot more people because it was on the Friday people are still playing. there were bigger events, like, like the big modern thing I think was on the Saturday. Is that right? Yeah, exactly. So you just had a load of people who were playing competitively, not doing it. and I think the fact that whilst it was a success, I feel that creators probably who were attending should have just got free passes because that gets people in the room and then more.
01:05:34:24 - 01:05:58:01
Unknown
I don't want to say more promotional stuff for it, but I do feel that more people should have attended. But then I don't know how you cater for whether that's a there was a lot of fines around for it. I like the I the a great time, but I would say it was €50 for effectively like club night.
01:05:58:23 - 01:06:14:07
Unknown
you got one drinks token. So so there was one room which, which had music, one room had karaoke. I think so. So, so we didn't spend too much time in the, in the karaoke room, like there are videos of like, Gavin getting up and doing cocaine and stuff like that to see some creators do. It would have been quite cool.
01:06:14:09 - 01:06:31:14
Unknown
But unlike last year, where it's kind of like it was, it was a big open space and kind of like people could be at the back and it'd be a bit quieter. This felt much more like that was like two very loud rooms and then like a hallway. Yeah. And there was a lot of people just hanging out, talking in the hallway.
01:06:31:14 - 01:06:54:12
Unknown
I kind of like, actually, that's where you ended. And I, you end up with most of the content creators from like the States and stuff, and some of the there was a lot more of people just hanging in the hallway and like, it meant that we could go and talk some type of like, like, what's that? One of your best and amazing features is that you can work a room like, I've never seen anyone and like, through just vicariously been like, oh, hey, wifey, I got to talk to like, Kathleen and Graham from learning what everyone kind of like James mentioned, I'm like, I don't I we all had a very nice chat with Cameron.
01:06:54:12 - 01:07:10:16
Unknown
I was just talking Warhammer lore with him for like ten minutes and I was like, that was awesome. But those kind of interactions are things you can have because because like, it's slightly more a more human level. I kind of like an afterparty type thing, but like, like we talked to Kathleen about music. We talked to Cameron about, Warhammer, that kind of stuff.
01:07:10:16 - 01:07:29:00
Unknown
It was less kind of like it was less magic based, if that makes sense, and kind of like those kind of interactions I liked a bit more. Yeah, so much nicer environment to chat to those people than like, wandering up than annoyingly in a convention center. If you, if you were trying to get like a Wii or something like that, or they're trying to like, like, like go between events.
01:07:29:00 - 01:07:52:17
Unknown
Yeah, I do get there. Yeah. Over the weekend that would pick those people. That's fun. I think that you definitely could have made it cheaper and put it on a different day, and it would have been double the success it was. But with it as it was, I still had. I think I had more fun this one compared to the last one.
01:07:52:19 - 01:08:09:23
Unknown
I got messier this one than the last one, I tell you that. I mean, it's three in the morning or something like that. And we did up, I think we're kind of coming a bit towards the end now. I think that's, I think the general consensus is the magic was good. Like, like, I like especially kind of like improvement from last year.
01:08:09:23 - 01:08:31:07
Unknown
I think things just like the venue was better. they stuff like simple things like aircon being turned on that love that. Absolutely love that. I'm sorry. That is not on the team tonight. Yeah I saying that's it wasn't, it was it boiling geysers. Yeah. Yeah boss I thought it was James Bull I do think it is.
01:08:31:07 - 01:08:53:05
Unknown
I want to touch on because, basically value for money for the convention. what do we think about it and what could we change? So, so kind of like so so so so all cards on table. So. I was fortunate enough to get the creator pass, and my weekend ticket was her plus one for being a creator.
01:08:54:10 - 01:09:15:21
Unknown
so in terms of tickets, I did not. I was fortunate enough to not have to pay for a ticket. So having said that, obviously Amsterdam is one of the most expensive cities in Europe. Flights weren't too bad, but accommodation, dear God, was a killer. also, events wise, worth pointing out. So I think last year the Gavin voucher event was like 40 to €50.
01:09:15:23 - 01:09:38:14
Unknown
This year it was between 70 and 80. And that is a big thing up, up, ticking. And I don't think like from a pack point of view it didn't go up in value. I think there was 101 collective boost of this year, but last year was like three Lord of the rings and three commander master. So kind of like the overall pack value is probably what it's in the wash to be about the same, maybe, maybe a bit more.
01:09:38:18 - 01:10:04:01
Unknown
I don't know how much collective boost our collective losses were. 1 to 1 three are selling for. But, so I like that I saw that €2,030 uptick in cost. I felt that that that was actually something like when I saw it was like that, that was definitely more, in terms of value for money. Effectively, what I had was a weekend badge and the regular pricing for that, depending on when you bought it, was between 90 and €95.
01:10:04:03 - 01:10:24:04
Unknown
I don't I don't know if I would pay that for a weekend badge. €100 for a weekend badge is expensive. James, you want to talk about a so so so you were on a single day badge, which was between 35 and €40. But again, like these badges are just to get you in the door. There's nothing else with that.
01:10:24:08 - 01:10:47:06
Unknown
I'm like, obviously there's all the things we mentioned. There's the there's the option to buy merch, there's the option to do trading, there's the panel like I effectively it's the panels in the meeting greets. Those are kind of like the three things that you can do. And like some of the trades we're doing like spin the wheel things to win stuff, but effectively it's the ability to go in and do more things like, like, like all of as you mentioned, all of your playing magic, for prizes anyway.
01:10:47:06 - 01:11:03:24
Unknown
You have to pay for that. There was a ton of free space so you could go in and just play command. That's all fine, but there you there. You could do that at a pub somewhere as well. So these are things to consider. I'm not going to give an overview of the whole thing, but James, like from a 40 like for a single day pass.
01:11:03:24 - 01:11:22:04
Unknown
How did you feel about about that. Yeah. I mean, I was kind of okay. Vex. It's like, you know, already going on holiday to Amsterdam. It's not going to be a cheap week. This is a fairly, this is not a big part of that expense. Right? yeah, I think it's a nice, it's a nice trip to go on.
01:11:22:04 - 01:11:46:17
Unknown
You will have fun if you go. if you're of the mindset of, like, I want good ev and to go an anti-magic tournament, I think this is probably not the way to do it, but, even if you're, like, in 2005, you know, it's it's a lot of money. Once you've paid for the event ticket and the entry fee for the day.
01:11:48:12 - 01:12:10:06
Unknown
but yeah, I think, you know, as with all these things, it's a question of priorities. If it's, if you're okay for expansion of the trip, then it's probably, you know, that day ticket isn't going to break the bank. But if you're about. Yeah, trying to, get good EV out of your magic tournaments. Yeah. This isn't for you.
01:12:10:08 - 01:12:34:15
Unknown
Yeah. And, I think yeah, I agree with that. I think where I'm coming from is kind of like, for me, like when I'm going to these big events. Yeah, part of it is the city break around it as well and kind of like when eyeing it up, it's kind of like, yeah, I think if I hadn't got the free ticket and I know I'm very lucky to have gotten the free weekend badge, if I hadn't have got that, I probably would have just done the day as well.
01:12:34:16 - 01:12:51:23
Unknown
Similarly to you and the other people we we went with. But that's, that's, that's like my lend to people like again all the week, like every badge sold out. So there's definitely enough demand for this. It's just basically working out what was like some people, they want to go to these places and just do like basically the convention is that holiday.
01:12:51:23 - 01:13:09:22
Unknown
That's what they're doing. They're not as fast around the city around it. They're going for the convention. And so for them, the weekend badge probably makes sense. But for me, kind of at at this point in life, I like faffing around by a canal eating table and having a beer and then playing a bit of magic, you know?
01:13:10:17 - 01:13:32:01
Unknown
but somehow let's, let's touch on, you know, because you were actually your weekend was kind of turned upside down a little bit and in a very good way, I would say yes, because you were, accepted as part of the New Perspectives program. Do you want to touch on that? I was so here's me applied for the create work and got it amazing.
01:13:32:03 - 01:14:01:10
Unknown
I was like, what? I have a nice time. My friends get to go and place magic every But I had seen last year the new prospectus program, for Match.com, Barcelona. And it was initially region dependent. So the US, major cons people for us, you know, frankly the, the from Europe. So I was like for Barcelona, I was like, well I've really got a possibility to do it.
01:14:01:10 - 01:14:30:12
Unknown
So this year I was like, you know, I thought it might be a point. And what it is, is the diversity inclusion, the equality diversity inclusion team basically have a program where they will award ten, recipients, effectively that opportunity to go to magical. And so they'll give you all bells and whistles. You get a stipend to attend, you get a bunch of stuff as part of that experience.
01:14:30:21 - 01:14:59:17
Unknown
and I was very fortunate to be one of ten people to do it. So I had a lovely dinner with my recipient on the Thursday night. shout out to Tommy Joseph, who was all sort of all person on the ground who was basically helping make sure that it all ran smoothly. I probably if I was somebody who had, had got this thing and it was like my first time really getting to see someone outside of my community, I think a lot of people kind of just stayed in that bubble, whereas I kind of knew a lot of people.
01:14:59:17 - 01:15:23:06
Unknown
So I was kind of like milling around. But it was amazing to meet other people. And yes, I have done what I think I've done quite a lot, to help grow the community as it stands. But I met you know, we met people who, you know, helping teach people English by magic through magic and people, you know, doing a bunch of different work that was like, absolutely incredible, true magic.
01:15:23:08 - 01:15:42:05
Unknown
And then here's me, like, I mean, I've done a lot. No, but I'll be honest. I read your application. You 100 was and deserve this out. Do not put yourself down yet. You. But yes. Yeah. I don't let other people like. Yeah, yeah. but then I met others who have just done absolutely amazing work from across the globe.
01:15:42:10 - 01:16:03:04
Unknown
Like we had Americans, Canadians, people from Brazil, people from Israel, mishmash of everybody, Spain, UK. it was great. And I think it's really worth it. I yes, I got so in addition, I also got the Black Lotus path with all the bells and whistles that that gives. Would I buy a black lotus path myself? Absolutely not.
01:16:03:04 - 01:16:23:22
Unknown
Because it's €800 and I don't think I would do that. Did I probably get €800 worth of stuff out of it? Did me decide? I think worth mentioning that kind of if you're doing the Black Lotus thing, that there are like events which kind of effectively give you more packs and that kind of stuff. They got this from a virtual product point of view.
01:16:23:22 - 01:16:45:14
Unknown
I don't think you kind of maxed EV that, but that's because you were kind of you were doing. Yeah, basically you were. Yeah. I had heard from people who had just basically sat in the Black Lotus Lounge most of the weekend drafting MH free until they run out of product. that was a thing you could do, but I was there to be around people.
01:16:45:16 - 01:17:08:20
Unknown
Yes. If I wanted the Mac coffee, then yes, I would have 100% just taken that opportunity. But I also got some amazing merch. Not this nice little bottle. Very nice. got some, it's an audio podcast, so our listeners is holding up some lovely looking black bottle with some nice artwork on it. I'd like, like to lotus on it.
01:17:09:18 - 01:17:28:07
Unknown
it is very nice. It's very nice. I got a nice fans that, got, like, the product. I've got so much product. and I got like 110 years of on demand vouchers, which. Thank you. James. I kind of. I helped brother out, and I was like, James, you want awesome on the vouchers? He's like, oh, yeah.
01:17:28:09 - 01:17:55:14
Unknown
Not his best price. No, no no no. He was like, I'm ready. I was like, I got I was waiting by the door to collect my, the fan vouchers. I. But I definitely feel that the black, the black lotus paws did get me a lot though. and I felt like I could kind of go wherever I wanted and sort of do whatever I want.
01:17:55:16 - 01:18:16:03
Unknown
Best example of this. We talked about merch earlier. I didn't realize when we went on the Friday that I had the O2, I just rocks up past everybody else. So that's how you boy got the exchange. Having my own queue. James was absolutely incredible because I literally walked up and I was like, am I meant to be here?
01:18:16:08 - 01:18:36:02
Unknown
Yeah. And I showed him my badge and she was like, yeah, wait two minutes. You have somebody. I just saw people's faces saving up. And I was like, I get again, again. You can like if you go to but pre-book your merch is the, if there's one takeaway from this whole podcast, pre-book your merch. Skip it. Three two.
01:18:36:03 - 01:18:55:05
Unknown
Do you like queue or listen to this episode while queuing for the merch next time? Yeah, there you go. There you go. I had people waiting in line three hours. Absolutely no. But yeah, I, I was quite time. Each of their own people can spend their time how they want. Like the thing I definitely noticed then like is the time felt kind of short.
01:18:55:11 - 01:19:09:24
Unknown
Like it. There was a lot of stuff to do and I was like, yeah, we all kind of cut coming, coming to an end. But now we're kind of like, yeah, it definitely felt kind of like it. It was kind of tricky to stick to fit to fit everything you want to do in one day, like, but doing.
01:19:09:24 - 01:19:24:21
Unknown
There's never enough time, like doing, trading, playing in an event, especially if it's like 4 or 5 rounds, that kind of thing. If you want to see a panel, that kind of stuff, it like it, it could be tricky. I wouldn't even mention like like the artist there. You could could get your card signed, you get your cards and that kind of stuff.
01:19:24:21 - 01:19:44:16
Unknown
Like, yeah, I get those. If you have seen anything at a magic event in the past, they have it here and and more. I think kind of I just kind of I don't want, want to wrap it up a little bit, with if there was a magic on coming to a place near you. So maybe not same city, but you had to travel to it.
01:19:45:05 - 01:20:09:21
Unknown
would you recommend someone to go to a magic on, change that? Start with you on that one? Yeah, I definitely would if, if what they want out of it is, a cool weekend to meet a bunch of magic people and, catch up with maybe old magic people who from across Europe of states, whoever you are, who you don't get to see that much.
01:20:09:21 - 01:20:31:18
Unknown
It's a great way to do that. There's a bunch of stuff, you can go for the whole weekend and kind of do different stuff all the time. There was, I think we certainly didn't scratch the surface of that. it isn't like a cheap trip, I would say, which I think is kind of what people want it to be.
01:20:31:18 - 01:20:53:24
Unknown
In some ways. I could see going and just doing the same stuff. I would probably have done it for as little kids as that. But, I think it's quite a different vibe from that because it is much more orientated towards stuff other than a big magic tournament that I think that's fine, and I think it works well as a as an event.
01:20:54:01 - 01:21:12:03
Unknown
No, I think it's kind of like they're trying to kind of cover all. But so a GP was as good as you could get at the time. I think for getting a large amount of competitive players into one place. That's the thing he was doing. Magicians are trying to do as many things as possible, and it does kind of show with the attendance.
01:21:12:03 - 01:21:30:12
Unknown
They're kind of now being successful, kind of at least applying. But maybe it's not perfect for everyone individually, but it kind of covers enough bases for enough people that it appeals like, like, like I do think magic wands appeal to a wider range of people, but kind of it's it's, How about yourself? Would you recommend a magic wand?
01:21:30:12 - 01:22:03:02
Unknown
Does that 110%. I'll tell you what what James said about meeting people. across the globe in one place. I cannot express how special that is. Yes. Is it expensive? Yes. It is. And especially in a city like Amazon, which is already an expensive city, I will say to that. But it's that is like the 1 or 2 events that you do a year that is your like destination, like gateway destination event, 100% worth it.
01:22:03:04 - 01:22:27:00
Unknown
Do I think that they could probably get a bit more creative in the way they do their badges and their policies on the event? Entry, of course. Is the cost of events increased since Covid and the pandemic? Yes, it has. Like I, I think there was a tension as well about like the cost of entry versus the cost of how much it is to run these events like this is the biggest magical they ever had.
01:22:27:00 - 01:22:48:24
Unknown
I'm not surprised that stuff was a little more expensive, because that was such a expensive city. I think if you had gone to somewhere that was a cheaper destination, like it might be cheaper, but you also like, is that where you want it to be? I think that anywhere they go in Europe has to be a bit of a destination city.
01:22:48:24 - 01:23:14:09
Unknown
So whether that's Paris or, somewhere, you know, Copenhagen or even London, London Patch, London, the challenge of the challenge of London is the Excel kind of sucks. Well, let's put it in the middle of nowhere, but it's only two stops from our house, so it is only two so far. But for the challenge of London as well is that there is because of the Brexit.
01:23:14:22 - 01:23:33:11
Unknown
there's challenges getting into the country. It's just there's, there's, there's like a lot more hoops they have to jump through and it's actually more expensive than it is in mainland Europe. So I think that it's probably something that's been on the docket to go in the United Kingdom. But we'll have to see. But I think if it is the one event you do it.
01:23:33:12 - 01:24:04:18
Unknown
Yeah, 100% worth it. I think even if I know a bunch of people who go who said that, yes, it is really expensive and that is something that they have to think about moving forward, and that is a genuine consideration. I think they can definitely get more creative with the way they do passes and badges. whether they do something akin to a draft pass or a command pass, as they've done the command fest, for example, and that previous GP's, I think they should probably try to incorporate that into the badge entry.
01:24:04:21 - 01:24:24:08
Unknown
But it's like, you know, you have entry plus like two draft or entry plus X amount of like, you know, command zone games or whatever or whatever it may be like. Or you have like a constructive pass like that could be a nice way of doing it, which is like, you know, reduced entry to the event. Plus you get into the door.
01:24:24:13 - 01:24:48:00
Unknown
Yeah, you pick a pass and you get a percentage off or something like that. Exactly like that would be perfect like that. I think that is one way that could actually do it. Yeah, I agree with that. And I think echo, echo what the two of you said, I think the main thing is like when it comes to me recommending a magician, I would say, despite what I said about me personally, not probably buying a three day pass, that is what works for me.
01:24:48:00 - 01:25:06:16
Unknown
I would buy, I would understand if there was a magic con in a city that I thought was cool. I mean, we did it for Amsterdam, we did it for Barcelona. We effectively arranged a holiday around it. I would probably do the same thing, basically at everyone's price point, everyone's budgets, everyone's monetary situation is unique and entirely their own business.
01:25:07:11 - 01:25:25:08
Unknown
basically, if you look at the cost of a magic on and you think it's doable for you, then I and you want to go, I would highly recommend you go. That would be my main takeaway from this. Like like I yeah. I don't have to I'm actually worried. I've come across a bit negative on it, but yeah, I had an awesome time.
01:25:25:08 - 01:25:42:19
Unknown
I would highly recommend you go on. I thought, like, I had a great weekend. part of that was the fact that it was in Amsterdam, and I was with a group of friends. that was awesome. Like, like, but, like for me, my weekend was an awesome weekend that had a magic on in it, if that makes sense.
01:25:42:19 - 01:25:56:22
Unknown
Rather than which is the way it probably should be. Well, I get, I get everyone like, but like the point is, we're all adults. We can get what we can do what we want. Like, like like like like part of things about your like one of the things that came up on your panel. So I was like, the fear of missing out.
01:25:56:22 - 01:26:15:03
Unknown
Like, I don't think people should overstretch themselves to kind of come to these events and feel like you have to be involved, but if you can do it comfortably, then then yeah, I would recommend it. Have fun. You want to have. Exactly. Marvelous. All right. I think that's where we're going to do it for today. So thank you very much for joining us today.
01:26:15:23 - 01:26:40:02
Unknown
where can people find you on the internet? So how are they on all social media platforms? And the legacy gambit on YouTube and Twitter? Marvelous, I love that. James, pleasure as always. Thank you very much. Yeah. Oh that's good. I just leaves me to thank you all very much for listening, to make sure to follow the podcast, give us a five star review, all that good stuff, tell a friend and let us know on Twitter.
01:26:40:02 - 01:26:56:07
Unknown
I promise you, at some point me and James will post that you can find us on, powerful MTG. At some point we'll post something, let us know if you've been too much gone, or if you think of going to one in the future. we'd love to hear from you. Any feedback? As always, appreciate it. But until next time, it's goodbye from star.
01:26:56:10 - 01:27:07:20
Unknown
Goodbye from James. It's goodbye from me. We'll see you all soon. Goodbye.